AirTran Studies B717 replacements

[Ty Webb]

Exactly. I non-rev a fair amount. Some of the routes are still packed and could probably handle a 737-800. But many routes are still wide open. Im non-reving this weekend and the flights are wide open. And Im non reving between 2 major cities.

I didn't realize "The Village People" were still playing in major cities. . . Thuper!

Hey, GT, maybe you could take a couple minutes away from your Fan Club President duties and make a donation to help our Contract Hostages:

www.PilotCrisisFund.com

 

[BoilerUP]

737-600??

 

[Whine Lover]

" Why is it that ...AAI wants to replace a modern, efficient, 117 pax design with another modern, efficient 100-120 pax design? "

"..they want (to) pay you RJ rates ??? "


Any more questions?

 

[DonVerita]

Of the aircraft designs AAI is looking at, they have stated that they want something in the 100-120 seat range. That is too large to be an RJ. How many seats does NWA's DC9's have? Does anyone refer to them as RJ's?

There will be no RJ payscales at AAI.

The B717 pay scale will be the floor for these new aircraft. The B737-700 currently pays the same as the B717 as both are considered in the SNB class. The B737-800 and above (in the LNB class) pays 13% higher.

This is all under the current contract. I highly doubt that the MEC is going to allow anything less in the next contract.

 

[Colonel Savage]

you are correct sir!

Take a 717 route and then put a smaller aircraft with similar CASM and presto your profits will increased. With less seats you can charge a premium.

Until more competition arrives.

 

[gt1900]

Ty

Well I was going to, but then I saw that your name is on the commitee. Why in the world would someone send money to any kind of fund that you take part in?? Its too bad that someone with class, respect, and someone who doesn't run their mouth off all the time isn't the fund administrator. Because I don't trust you to do the right thing with the money. Its sad, because those guys could probably use the help.

 

[wmuflyguy]

you are correct sir!

Take a 717 route and then put a smaller aircraft with similar CASM and presto your profits will increased. With less seats you can charge a premium.

Not necessarily, just because you charge a premium doesn't mean people pay it. Especially to tourist destinations. They will go to the next airline who charges 3 bucks less.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty

Well I was going to, but then I saw that your name is on the commitee.

Any excuse will do, when you're a scab, or a scab-in-training.

Since you can't even spell "committee", it's pretty obvious you've never served on one. What've you done for this Pilot Group, besides run your man-pleaser?

 

[gt1900]

Now your calling me a scab? Dude, you really can't be for real. You are an idiot. Funny thing is, you have no idea how big of an idiot you are.

 

[j41driver]

If you look at the specs on the CS100/300 it fits right in the 100-120 seat range with 2-class configuration, has almost 3000NM range and is more economical than others in the 100-ish seat class. The CS100/300's would allow us to do everything that we do with the 717 and allow opportunities to grow into thinner markets that we can't serve non-stop with the 717. Sounds like a good fit to me. Adding a couple dozen 737-800's sounds like a necessary step also. No matter what happens regarding the fleet plan, we just need to make sure that AirTran pilots are the ones that are flying AirTran passengers.

 

[gt1900]

Ya know Ty. Ive tried to figure out why you have attacked me on FI. Ive always tried to bring a sense of reason to my posts and tried not to offend anyone. Ive always tried to stay out of the FI bs......But youve made it your personal goal to attack me on every post I make. I haven't really been able to figure out why, but it just hit me. You have a man crush on me. Thats so sweet......Its ok dude. I understand. Its like the cute girl (or boy in your case) in junior high that you picked on because you liked them, but you didn't really know how to talk to them. Thats why you stalk me and always try to blast every post I make. You watch my posts, and seek me out. Don't worry, Im not upset. But Im just no that into you. I understand you have "issues" with your manhood. But you really can get help for that. That way you won't feel like you have to blast guys on FI to overcome your inferiority complex. I understand that your insecure, and are awkward in public. But there are people out there that will help you. Im sorry, Im just not that person.

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah, Blah, Blah, I'm not a scab, Ty's gay Blah, blah, blah

You're not my type, George, but I'll ease up on you if you "man up" and support one of your fellow 717 pilots, by making a contribution to the PCF.

I can give you the location of the RBC bank in Newnan, if you just want to donate in person.

Ty

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The Douglas manual for the DC-9 states that it is a regional jet. I believe the same to be true when the 737 was introduced.

It doesn't matter what the plane is. It matters what the contract is/who is flying it.

cliff
NBO

 

[maxblast72]

You bet Col...Because the math has proven.....Florida is where the profits are....


Good luck with that!

Connecting Florida passengers through a hub like ATL may not be real profitable, but the nonstops from the Midwest and Northeast into Florida must be doing real well at $1.80/gal for Jet A. We must have added 30 point to point routes into Florida that byepass ATL over the last 2 years out of cities like PIT, MKE, IND, and CAK.

 

[Adiabatic Pilot]

You're not my type, George, but I'll ease up on you if you "man up" and support one of your fellow 717 pilots, by making a contribution to the PCF.

I can give you the location of the RBC bank in Newnan, if you just want to donate in person.

Ty

Gotta agree with the other guy. If you are indeed running some voluntary fund and talking like you are on here-you are flat out wrong! You should either step away with any connection with the fund or take back your comments here and then cool your jets from now on concerning any benevolent fund. You have overstepped the line here, and probably elsewhere. Be more professional. Just some common sense advice, pal.

Stop bein this puke---> uke:

 

[gt1900]

So now your gonna try and bribe me so you will "ease up". Sorry dude. Im not some P$%^^& whose just gonna make a contribution just so you will back off me. Your a piece of work dude. You obviously just don't get it. Id love to make a contribution to help those guys out. I support our pilot group 100%. Thats why id be the first two vote for a strike, and Ill be the first to vote a sh!% contract down. But Im not going to contribute any of my money to a program that your involved with. If you came on FI and actually had intelligent conversations, acted professionaly, and didn't bash everyone then I would be happy to donated money. But I wouldn't donate money to the homeless hooker foundation if you were running it. Actions say a lot about a person. Even on web forums. When you figure that out. Then maybe Ill donate to help those guys out.

 

[JT12345]

This is all BS. We are going to start getting 737s again in the beginning of 2010 for sure. We are pulling out of good yield markets to expand to MKE and the carribean. We dont have enough airplanes to do what we really want to do. So this probing probably has to do more with our current 737 order, and some sort of renegotiation to start taking those airplanes again because of the weak economy.

The 717 has the same burn as a 737, and therefore the same costs with less seats and less range, but we have a good deal on them. 2012 is 3 years from now. Still kinda far off don't ya think?

 

[JT12345]

Flying 100 seat airplanes coast to coast is hard to make money on. Long flying times = less yield. However with the new engines like geared turbofans on the C model that could be a game changer.

 

[Ty Webb]

Gotta agree with the other guy.

Ty has been Ty for 12 years. I'm not changing who I am.

I have also stepped up, yet again, to help the Pilot Group. I've probably donated more time and money to help our fellow pilots in just the past year than you have in your entire worthless life, so spare me your sanctimonious bullsh!!t.

 

[Ty Webb]

So now your gonna try and bribe me so you will "ease up".

I'm not trying to "bribe" you George, I'm trying to give you an opportunity to become a contributing member of this pilot group, instead of a cowardly oxygen-thief.

So you'd "vote for a strike", huh? I didn't see you at any of the SPC events. I haven't seen you join any committees. I'll bet you're still speed-dialing Scheduling's and probably talking sh!t about our contract hostages, too.

No need to hijack this thread any longer, now that we know who one another is, we can talk about it in person.