airtran rumor

[-9Capt]

Rumor has it that AirTran will be changing it's name.

I hear the boss came into a recent recurrent class and said he is considering changing the name, but gave no hints as to what it might be, anything would be an improvement in my opinion.

I remember back in '99 when he (Joe Leonard) took over he said he didn't like the name, I guess now he's ready to do something about it.

 

[Smiliner]

I vote for Eastern Airlines!

 

[Noam]

That is wonderful news! Not to be rude, but a lot of ATA's passengers get ATA confused with AirTran...and we at ATA have a much better safety record and better contract.

It would be good if pax finally could seperate the best from the second best.

 

[sayagain?]

Oh boy, here we go...

 

[General Lee]

Noam, that was funny. I have an idea, how about "Valuejet", or what about "Ty Air" or "Ty Webbair"? How about "Flint Express" or "Delta Nemesis." This could be fun.......Happy New Year!!!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ty Webb]

You have got to be kidding. What kind of punk kid would make a post like this? Any ATA pilots want to claim this jackass?

. . . . .and better contract.

Oh, really? That's pretty funny, since your contract was pretty lousy until the new one was voted in last year, and unless your company starts making money soon, you may find yourself wishing you had our contract . . . . which is up for negotiation next year.


It would be good if pax finally could seperate the best from the second best. [/i]


Funny, there was a former ATA 757 FO in my newhire class . . . seems he didn't see it the same way as you.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Error, Error...

You have got to be kidding. What kind of punk kid would make a post like this? Any ATA pilots want to claim this jackass?

I'm thinking this is just sport...you know, twisting your tail a bit...

unless your company starts making money soon, you may find yourself wishing you had our contract

Not to put too fine a point on it, but we ARE making money...posting a profit for 2003, so they tell me... Also, there was the public announcement of a tentative agreement on the bond issue, so we're pretty golden until '09...

Funny, there was a former ATA 757 FO in my newhire class

If he left ATA, I GUARANTEE you it wasn't voluntarily. We have a rather involved probationary program, and not everyone makes it through. My wife works with a woman whose husband "left" ATA in much the same manner as your new FO. His story isn't remotely believable either...

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Error, Error...

He had been there about 5 years, including a few years in on the L1011 before becoming typed on the 757 (as a F/O). It was voluntary.

 

[flx757]

Believe it or not, people leave one job for another, voluntarily, for a variety of reasons...personal, professional, family, the perception of a better career move, etc. It is presumptuous and naive to believe that anyone would leave ATA for AirTran only involuntarily.

Take me, for example. I was very happy and excited to be at AirTran. Everything about the job and the company was positive, However, an opportunity presented itself at Alaska Airlines, and for many of these reasons, mostly personal, long term and QOL issues, made it a no-brainer to take the position at Alaska.

Everyone has to do what they believe is best for themselves and their family, Not what other people think is best for them or what they believe they should do.

 

[Ty Webb]

If I had a "silver bullet" and could drag my wife to the West coast, I'd trade ATL for ANC too, but I don't see either of those things happening anytime soon.

D'Oh!

 

[FLB717]

Well I heard the same story, only it was the VP of Flt Ops, not Leonard who said it. But I dont think it would happen. People finaly know who we are ( in a + way), so why through that away.

 

[atldc9]

The one I keep hearing is that the name change won't be voluntary. The stock is cheap, the 9's are gone and we have $400 million in cash. Supposedly accountants have been looking at the books.I hope not...

 

[FLB717]

With our current market cap (1.1B)I doubt anyone has that much cash, not UAL or USAir or AA. Maybe Delta (1.4B) but the FTC would not go for it. NWA and CAL (1.0B) dont have the cash. Only JBL may have the horse power,I know it's J. Orenstien!

 

[flx757]

If I had a "silver bullet" and could drag my wife to the West coast, I'd trade ATL for ANC too, but I don't see either of those things happening anytime soon.

D'Oh!

 

[Full of LUV]

!

FLB717,

First it's positive, not posative.

Second, it's the FTC not the FCC that would have any bearing on that decision.

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

I know, I know, a degree is not required to be an Airtran pilot, or was that a diploma?

Happy New Year

 

[Astra Guy]

Here we go again! Why don't you goofballs quit harrassing each other over spelling errors? If you want to edit the English language go to school and teach somewhere. It is the content that matters.

Back to the rumor....if AirTran does change their name my suggestion would be KDA---Kicking Delta's Arse!

 

[flap operator]

How about MESABA since Air Tran prior to the merge with Valujet was a spin off from Mesaba.



FO

 

[bman]

the remix?!

Fellas

I don't usually get involved in this stuff, but I gotta ask where some of this stuff comes from.

JB isn't in a position to buy anyone! Not saying anything negative about that company. Just because they are doing well by all apperances doesn't mean they are some money making juggernaught who can go around buying up companies. How would they finance that deal.

The really frightening thought is that mesa might try a bid for Airtran. Now I know this seems far fetched, but consider that that group has a ton of cash and limited ability to grow as they are.

I mean it could happen. It might not be good for the folks that work there but consider..........

Let the emotional ranting commence, but sometimes the most unlikely scenarios......

 

[FLB717]

J.O. buying AAI is not going to happen. I dont think anyone will/can, well maybe Sir Branson. Thanks for the spelling tip, Full of Luv (Love), though I have not felt any, maybe I dont want to, ewwwww As you can tell my degree is not that of an English General, I um mean Major.

 

[datafox]

Hmm, both ATA and AirTran (and most of the other LCCs) are great airlines. Why would AirTran change its name?

But if they are going to change their name, how 'bout:

S.C.A.R.E. = Scabs Crashing Airplanes into the Remote Everglades

The last time they changed their name was because of "the accident", so maybe AirTran is planning another accident in the near future? Why else would you guys want to change your name?

In all seriousness, this is not a flame, AirTran is a great airline.

I know, I know, what a horrible thing to joke about, lets be politically correct, yada, yada, yada. Take a chill pill.

 

[FL717]

But if they are going to change their name, how 'bout:

S.C.A.R.E. = Scabs Crashing Airplanes into the Remote Everglades

The last time they changed their name was because of "the accident", so maybe AirTran is planning another accident in the near future? Why else would you guys want to change your name?

In all seriousness, this is not a flame, AirTran is a great airline.

I know, I know, what a horrible thing to joke about, lets be politically correct, yada, yada, yada. Take a chill pill.

No, its not about "political correctness". Its also not about "taking a chill pill".

Its about an absolutely assinine comment from some anonymous internet @sshole!

 

[datafox]

FL717 wrote:

>Its about an absolutely assinine comment from some >anonymous internet @sshole!

Not really. It is the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. Every airline has their scabs, and AirTran has a bit more than the norm.

Check out the jumpseat protection list, pg. 38:

Candalyn C Kubeck
Eastern 89 SCAB
Hired ValuJet EMP NO 65790
Capt. on ValuJet Everglades disaster

Maybe if a real captain was flying that airplane those blessed pax would still be around today?

 

[StaySeated]

Congrats datafox,

I have never read a bigger a@@hole post than yours, and thats saying a lot on this board.

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: the remix?!

Bman, even a cursory look at Mesa's numbers would tell you that is not possible. AirTran's market cap (shares times price) is two and a half times bigger than Mesa's. That would be kind of like a hippo trying to eat an elephant.

I don't know how much free cash they have, but we are sitting on $600 million right now, and have no desire to merge with anyone. when you are growing like we are and making money, why get involved in a huge, messy merger that derails your focus? Look at USAirways and UAL. How many billions did they squander trying to blindly do that boondoggle?

How's your new life at AWA? What airplane did you get?

 

[T-Bags]

"even a cursory look at Mesa's numbers would tell you that is not possible. AirTran's market cap (shares times price) is two and a half times bigger than Mesa's."

"I don't know how much free cash they have, but we are sitting on $600 million right now, and have no desire to merge with anyone. when you are growing like we are and making money, why get involved in a huge, messy merger that derails your focus?"

With all due respect Ty, do the names "Texas International" and "Francisco Lorenzo" ring a bell? AAI market Cap sits at 1.0 billion. An $18 tender offer would cost 1.5 billion, and that buys $600 million in cash. There is a lot of cash just sitting around waiting to get squandered now that the internet bust is becomming just a memory. never say never, and be prepared for ANYTHING

 

[FLB717]

TBag,
By that thought DAL, UAL, USA and all the others are a great buy. With much more to offer for a little more money.

Datafox,
I have walked a picket line. So I feel very secure in stating you deserve an ass kicking more that any other person I've ever seen a post from.

 

[flx757]

Datafox,

The Valujet accident was caused by a SabreTech employee, who, in attempting to clear space on their shelves, placed a cardboard box (labeled simply as "Aircraft Parts") with mislabeled (as empty) oxygen generators. There was a fire in the cargo compartment of this aircraft even before it left the ground, and NO PILOT....scab or otherwise, could have saved it, short of not taking off. And in those days, cargo fire warning and suppression systems were not required on commercial aircraft. It was SabreTech and some of their individual employees that faced criminal charges resulting from this accident.

I agree with the others that your post is one of the most misinformed, asinine and inflammatory posts ever to be posted on this board. You say "the truth hurts". Maybe a good place for you to start would be to know the "truth".

Your post only serves to prove your true character, and that your posts should simply be ignored. Why don't you go find another sandbox to play in or someplace else to post your lame attempts at flame. At the very least, go educate yourself so you don't appear so stupid, or maybe there is nothing you can do about that. Stupid is as stupid does. Dredging up accidents for any reason other than to learn from them in hopes of preventing similar situations in the future serves no purpose whatsoever.

I'll have no further comment to you or this thread. My time is far to valuable to waste.

 

[dane]

Hm hm,

Keeping issues seperate is sometimes difficult, but it shouldn't be in this case. Being a scab has nothing to do with the airplane crashing into the everglades. In addition to the scab list there should be a list for: Insensitive-ignorant-narrowminded-should never.work.for.any.airline people. And guess what, let's make datafox the first entry!!!


Brgds,

dane

 

[jetblue320]

Hmm, both ATA and AirTran (and most of the other LCCs) are great airlines. Why would AirTran change its name?

But if they are going to change their name, how 'bout:

S.C.A.R.E. = Scabs Crashing Airplanes into the Remote Everglades

The last time they changed their name was because of "the accident", so maybe AirTran is planning another accident in the near future? Why else would you guys want to change your name?

In all seriousness, this is not a flame, AirTran is a great airline.

I know, I know, what a horrible thing to joke about, lets be politically correct, yada, yada, yada. Take a chill pill.

The fact that you came back later and edited this post shows that there was some thought put into it. That's an even scarier thought than the original post. You are sick man, and should seek professional help. Peolpe like you shouldn't even be allowed ON an airplane as a passenger. I certainly hope you are not a pilot.