AirTran pilots

[DonVerita]

The recall can wait till after the seniority integration. You don't want to have and empty union office in the middle of a seniority battle.

-9Capt...sorry to say I must disagree with you on this one.

Do you want the same worthless bunch who gave you this POS T/A also involved in a seniority battle?

We must impeach these fools now! We can not move forward until we get our own house in order. A new election won't take long. People are ready to serve. What better way to send a message than to vote this thing down AND get rid of those who sent it to us in the first place. I can't think of a better message to send to management...and doing this would even put a ribbon on it. It would also put all future BOD's on notice --- you screw up something big like this and you will be recalled. To not recall the current BOD indirectly validates their actions, does it not?

 

[Eagle757shark]

-9Capt...sorry to say I must disagree with you on this one.

Do you want the same worthless bunch who gave you this POS T/A also involved in a seniority battle?

We must impeach these fools now! We can not move forward until we get our own house in order. A new election won't take long. People are ready to serve. What better way to send a message than to vote this thing down AND get rid of those who sent it to us in the first place. I can't think of a better message to send to management...and doing this would even put a ribbon on it. It would also put all future BOD's on notice --- you screw up something big like this and you will be recalled. To not recall the current BOD indirectly validates their actions, does it not?

I understand what you are saying. However, I think you have to start with the VOTE! A large turnout that shoots this TA down by 85%-90% sends a message to the union leadership. First, no confidence in the negotiating committee that let this pilot group down by accepting this TA. Second, the negotiating committee needs to be replaced period!

Remember, the BODs had to send this TA to the pilot group. They didn't come up with the TA, the NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE did! The BODs had to send this to the rank in file to have leverage over management. If this TA goes down by more than 80%, management can't come to the pilots with all the propaganda. If the BODs had rejected the TA, management would have filled our mailboxes with letters stating how our BODs let us down. BELIEVE me they would have sent every pilot those pay rates in the mail and some may have fallen for it and wondered why it was voted down, creating division among our pilot group. We wouldn't have seen for ourselves the horrible work rules that our negotiating committee agreed to. Seen this before at another airline. Bottom line because there is a TA only means just that, it is a TA. NOTHING has changed as long as guys VOTE IT DOWN. If that occurs, then the BODs would have done their fiduciary responsibility. We then fire the negotiating committee, and collectively let our leadership hear what we want and will not accept.

FELLOW AIRTRAN PILOTS, THE BALL IS IN OUR COURT! IF YOU HAVE A STRONG BELIEF IN WHY THIS TA SHOULD GO DOWN, CONTACT A FELLOW AIRTRAN PILOT AND TALK ABOUT THIS TA AND GET THEM ON BOARD WITH YOU! UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!!!!!

 

[SLEDNECK]

-9Capt...sorry to say I must disagree with you on this one.

Do you want the same worthless bunch who gave you this POS T/A also involved in a seniority battle?

We must impeach these fools now! We can not move forward until we get our own house in order. A new election won't take long. People are ready to serve. What better way to send a message than to vote this thing down AND get rid of those who sent it to us in the first place. I can't think of a better message to send to management...and doing this would even put a ribbon on it. It would also put all future BOD's on notice --- you screw up something big like this and you will be recalled. To not recall the current BOD indirectly validates their actions, does it not?

I have to agree 100% with Don, . Do you want these fools representing us during a merger?!? When you look at the TA, the only people that it doesn't royally screw is the top few guys. How do you think your gonna do if your on the lower 80% of the list here? How about some more side letters making it so we have no ability so sue or grieve afterwards? Don't say they won't, because they've already done just that in the past.

I do agree that the first thing we need to do is vote it down at least 80/20 THEN have an immediate recall vote as well like he said. THey're trying to sell this POS before they open the polls. I wish they would just open it up with yes, no, and F*CK YOU! What's next, no membership ratification and they sign with just the BOD's approval? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

What's next, no membership ratification and they sign with just the BOD's approval? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Don't worry so much. It will be done by Wilson Polling, and you KNOW it will be a representation of the whole group, right? They'll poll at LEAST 200.

 

[Eagle757shark]

Ok, It Has Been Over Two Weeks Since A Ta! When Do The Polls Open So We Can Vote? Why Hasn't This Union Posted Location Dates And Times For Roadshows? No New Information As Of 1700, 4 June 2007 On The Union Web Page. This Is Embarrassing!

 

[-9Capt]

Remember, the BODs had to send this TA to the pilot group. They didn't come up with the TA, the NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE did

Not 100% true.

AP was present at many of the mediation sessions, passing proposals across the table.

I've worked with these guys and I would never for one minute question their motives. With the "support" our negotiators have received from us on the line, this TA shouldn't surprise anyone.

I say vote it down and put in new negotiators. Line pilots need to fight this battle from inside the cockpit and at the curb walking in circles!!

We're great at passive resistance, now it's time for aggressive resistance.

 

[DonVerita]

We're great at passive resistance, now it's time for aggressive resistance.

Well said.

Eagle...I hope you're right with your analysis. If what you believe just so happens to be true, then it is one heck of a gamble our BOD is taking.

However, I do not believe this to be the case. I believe the boogieman came to the door and scared them senseless. These guys MUST have the balls to stand up to such pressure and seperate fact from fiction. In the eyes of the pilot group, they have shown cowardice by not rejecting this at the BOD level. It is one thing to say, "Well gentleman, we have just one or two things we know you'll find disagreeable, but the rest of this T/A rocks", as opposed to, "The good news is we'll be back at the negotiating table in 3.5 years to fix everything that we couldn't get fixed this time." Is that leadership? Does that instill confidence? Not in my book.

Loyalty and solidarity does not come free. It must be earned by setting an unwavering example. We have one such pilot here who did just that. He stood his ground as a union committee chairman and management didn't like it because he threw all their BS right back in their face. He was fired for it. One month later, he got his job back in what was clearly a case of intimidation of a union officer. THIS is the type of person who has my respect that I would want leading us into battle...not the current, "let's not rock the boat" president we have now.

So I will meet you halfway on the recalls. President goes. Entire NC goes. Vice President and rest of BOD is put on notice that they are one step away from recall if they so much as blink. New T/A better be what we tell them to do or start the 30 day countdown and get in line to grab a sign.

DV

 

[Just thinking]

Reserve language is so ambiguous and confusing... (Ready reserve at outstations for three days??? Deadhead there and sit for 6 hours....where are you going to sit???? Movable days off.... reserve to regular...R/R1/R2 TAP Tactical reserve..... how many different names to we need for them to say:

"Today you are R1 but with the movable day you are going to be here till 0200 and we will give you a CDO but put you to R2 the next night but you must self notify otherwise you will be a no show and we will deduct a 3.5 from your pay...." tongue in cheek
They can't handle the current language for the simplest of reschedules... they will have a field day with this.... Way too much leeway for them to make a reserve persons life an existence in hell.

Anything >50 seats needs to be Air Tran pilots. Pay chart for <86 seats is about $20 dollars short (at a minimum for year 1 Captains) and real raises each year after that... other pay charts need to slide up at least one notch on the pay chart to be able to recoup what you will lose with the dwell time. 4 hour a day minimum guarantee. Better yet, what is wrong with a 4.5 hour guarantee? Clean language for SAP 2 and FLICA!!!!

Easiest way to save big bucks is to use FLICA as it was designed and not the abortive mess they have turned it into....

Several pages on "failing" or not getting recommended for a training event... why not several pages on ways to make training better? Home study program that will save them big dollars but we get 3.5 hours of pay for 6-8 hour study program.... at the training center we got 4 per day????

This company is poised to become a great airline if they could just get their heads out of their nether regions. You have a great pilot group that saves the company millions of dollars with efficient flying. A pilot group that comes from a variety of backgrounds where they have been mistreated and crapped on time and time again. Don't put out a bunch of crap on a piece of paper and expect us to embrace it. NC- get ready to get back to work because what you brought to your "brothers" that have been paying you handsomely for the past two years is a sorry excuse for the trust and confidence that was bestowed upon you when you took this responsibility. BOD-do not lie during your road show and try to sell this thing. You know that it is concessionary and is beneath this pilot group. This is the pilot group that has stood behind the company time and time again. This is the pilot group that has supported the union even though the union has not always supported them. (Christmas debacle... age 65... tossing out grievances for the sake of others)
We did not ask to be elected to the BOD or to be on the NC. YOU DID! Please do not fail us.

 

[j41driver]

I haven't seen it on the NPA website either but it was in the NPA eWeekly email dated 6/4/07. Guess we already missed 2 of them...although there's nothing they could say that will make me change my NO vote.

Road Shows Week of June 4
Road Shows are now underway this week in the maintenance classroom under gate C5. Sessions are held daily from 7:30 AM to 12:30 PM and again 2:30 PM to 6 PM.
Additional Road Shows are scheduled at the NPA Offices this Tuesday, June 5 at 10 AM, Wednesday June 6, at 11 AM and Thursday June 7 at 2 PM. Please attend.

 

[wood pecker]

I do not understand why some CA are voting yes all b/c of pay rates/bonus knowing they are screwing every one below them. If you need any more proof why this TA sux ask a scheduler what they think about ready reserve at the end of a trip. I know one from a previous job and he said that is the dream tool because basically instead of saying standby for a couple of minutes he can now automatically sit you for an hour until they get caught up. Basically our new TA has worst reserve than a regional.

Are any of the NC on reserve?

Have you seen the FOs sticker that reads FAIL = F AirTran Im Leaving?

 

[DougCorp-9]

Do it Now

For all of you that are willing to take part in informational picketing, please email [email protected] and make sure they have current contact info on you.

Unfortunately saying "I'm in" on this website means nothing unless the NPA knows you're in.

This is absolutely true. I just spoke with a BOD member and he admitted that this thing is a turd. He told me to start recruiting now. We need people to be able to back up a no vote. E-MAIL THE SPC NOW.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Did anybody attend a road show? I wonder how they will try and spin it. They should open the vote so we can get it over with.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I just spoke with a BOD member and he admitted that this thing is a turd.

I hope these guys on the BOD really had another agenda when they voted to send it to us.

 

[Citrusflyer]

This is absolutely true. I just spoke with a BOD member and he admitted that this thing is a turd. He told me to start recruiting now. We need people to be able to back up a no vote. E-MAIL THE SPC NOW.

Then why didn't he have the cajones to stand up and vote NO on the TA, and make his voice loud and clear when it counted!

 

[AFcitrus]

I think these BoD pr!cks sold out to the company thinking it wasn't so bad given what they got in return (which we will never know). Now they see the massive backlash and are trying to figure out how they can save face. I haven't seen any of them since the TA came out but when I do I will let know of my "deepest displeasure with their performance". I'm hearing that there have been alot of "screaming matches" in the crew room that have gotten the attention of everyone in the room.

MS said he voted for it because we only had 100 volunteers to picket. What a crock... Have some balls Mike, stand up to the company and represent the pilots who voted you into office thinking you had our back. I guess no one was covering your backside Mike, because the Kolski, Fornaro, Philpot company spin machine just bent you over a chair and had their way with you.