AirTran pilots, who ya voting for?

[UALX727]

Voted for Allen!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

A.P. for prez!

 

[TV9Driver]

Has anyone else had problems logging on to the website to vote? I keep getting an error message saying I need to type "http://" in the address - even when I have typed it in there. Oh well, I guess i'll have to pick up the phone!

 

[-9Capt]

Try typing https:

 

[Lear70]

I haven't decided yet either. I'm still waiting to hear what Allen's take on Reserve pay concessions are. That will determine my vote. It will also determine every other reserve's and FO's vote.

Ummm... whoa. Say WHAT?

I haven't heard anything about that, would you care to enlighten us? PM me if you want, I'd like to hear more...

I like Dave a LOT, he was GREAT in training, really straightforward, and I can imagine how great of a CP he would make and, from what I hear, FP is thinking about getting back to the line, so maybe DP will be there again?

That said, I didn't care for one or two of the things he said in his position paper, namely that he wasn't after decent pay gains, but mainly COLA and QOL issues.

FO pay here is not what it should be. It needs to come up, I'd like to see it tied 60% to CA pay across the board. I know I'm going to be an FO for 3-4 years, so that's a big issue for me, and I'd also like to hear Allen talk about FO pay SPECIFICALLY as well.

I also know that when I upgrade, I'll probably be on reserve as a CA for at least 1-2 years, so reserve QOL issues are huge as well, and I'd like to hear anything that would change the reserve rules (including pay) for the worse if it's coming from either camp.

Because of those 2 above are going to make up 1/4 of my remaining 25 years in the biz, I'll wait until I get some SOLID, STRAIGHTFORWARD answers before I cast my vote. I'm leaning Allen's way, simply because of what's been previously mentioned, but if I get a whiff of some concessionary stuff for reserve pay or QOL, not to mention a stance that doesn't address FO pay issues, I'll change my vote.

If someone wants to PM me on the above, please do so.

p.s. NJguy, I don't think you get voting rights until month 6 after Indoc starts, I got my ballot in the mail and I'm at month 8, did you get a ballot? If not, probably won't be able to vote.

 

[Gate 69]

My observations:
1. I think you guys underestimate how many guys have gone through initial indoc in the last couple years. Dave is likeable, trustworthy, and big picture.
2. I think Allen and mgmt hate each other and nothing will get done with current regime.
3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).
4. My question for Ty, have you read our contract proposal? It's as one sided as mgmts.

I haven't voted yet but I'm leaning towards Dave.

 

[Toecutter]

My observations:
1. I think you guys underestimate how many guys have gone through initial indoc in the last couple years. Dave is likeable, trustworthy, and big picture.
2. I think Allen and mgmt hate each other and nothing will get done with current regime.
3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).
4. My question for Ty, have you read our contract proposal? It's as one sided as mgmts.

I haven't voted yet but I'm leaning towards Dave.

Ditto

 

[DonVerita]

My observations:
1. I think you guys underestimate how many guys have gone through initial indoc in the last couple years. Dave is likeable, trustworthy, and big picture.
2. I think Allen and mgmt hate each other and nothing will get done with current regime.
3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).
4. My question for Ty, have you read our contract proposal? It's as one sided as mgmts.

I haven't voted yet but I'm leaning towards Dave.

Let's get these items addressed that you brought up. Wouldn't want any misinformation out there.

1. Sure Dave is likeable, but as for the Big Picture? He has Management's Big Picture alright...which is concessions and elimination of work rules. You have to realize who you're dealing with here. This management team is no Southwest Herb Kelleher where you can sit down like gentlemen over a couple of weeks and get a contract done. No. We're up against the embodiment of Frank Lorenzo himself. Management regards you as nothing more than a hinderance to their bonuses. Dave has no inside track. A vote for him is a vote for Kolski.

2. Our current union leadership will walk in there like VE day if they win by a large percentage. What kind of message do you think that will send? UNITY!!
Mike Best left for personal reasons. Management said he was the roadblock. Now that he's gone, they still won't negotiate fairly. So the point is that whoever you put in there, management will find fault with him if he doesn't do what they want. Management wants Dave because Dave will not take a hard line to stand up for what you are entitled to. You'll be presented with a P.O.S. T/A...simple as that.

3. Dave works in the Training Dept. Dave's nomination was delivered by a SCAB. What's that tell you? Allen is in union HQ or attending to the union's business at outside functions Monday through Friday plus whatever he does at home on Sat. and Sun. Dedication. He restructured this union and made everything transparent. Accountability.

4. If Ty would allow me, I'd like to answer this one:
The contract proposal SEEMS so one-sided because of the fact that your current contract is so full of loopholes you could fly a Pitts Special through it. Ever wonder why we're saddled with all the contractual violations we have to deal with everyday? It's because your current contract lacks teeth. The contract proposal is a TOTAL RE-WRITE. It is what a contract should be...binding and legally 100% enforceable without any misinterpretations. The contract proposal was written by our Negotiating Committee under Allen's leadership using a host of lawyers and outside economic and financial analysis experts as well as input from the various union committees that represent you.

So, is there any doubt remaining as to who we want to lead us into 2007 and into the contract that we rightfully deserve as major airline pilots.

---> Allen Philpot! 100%, without a doubt!!

Please make sure you vote early online and record your Ballot Confirmation number. Don't wait till the last minute when something might distract you thereby causing you to miss the vote. Exercise your rights as a union member and vote as soon as you get your ballot in the mail.

 

[USARET]

If you want a new side letter with the company shoved up our a$$ every other week vote for Dave. I like Dave, nice guy, but the mere fact that management wants him in office is enough to keep me from voting for him. Changing horses in mid stream is usually doesn't work well.

 

[AAflyer]

My observations:
1. I think you guys underestimate how many guys have gone through initial indoc in the last couple years. Dave is likeable, trustworthy, and big picture.
2. I think Allen and mgmt hate each other and nothing will get done with current regime.
3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).
4. My question for Ty, have you read our contract proposal? It's as one sided as mgmts.

I haven't voted yet but I'm leaning towards Dave.

Gate 69,

While I obviously do not work for Air Tran I can tell you with experience what happens when you have a management friendly union leadership. You will be cut off at the knees. We have seen this at APA the last 3 years. Our union has agreed to numerous side letters of our contract that help the company, yet the most small items we have asked for (many cost neutral)have been brushed off by management. Now that we would like a return on our 2003 investment there is NO money, yet they continue to grab more bonuses.

Management will never value you as an asset (except at a handful of companies). You are a cost-unit, and will be treated as such. While I do not know either of your candidates, I would rather pull the "agressive pit bull" back than try to "push the little chiuaua" forward to fight for me.


You need a leader who represents YOU (the line pilot).

Just my .02, hope it all works out for you, and you get the contract you deserve!


AAflyer

 

[bestpilot]

I would rather pull the "agressive pit bull" back than try to "push the little chiuaua" forward to fight for me.

Duuude, ole Ty Guy ownz a pit bull an stuff. Maybe if da Enn-Pee-Hey cats done like freaking tooks ole Ty Guy and hiz pit bull and some hunnies into like dem negoteeatshunz and stuff, den like maybe like we coulds git some freeking progress and stuff.

Ole Ty Guy be sayin, "hey Tranny Mannies, ifn we gits dat contract and stuff, you gets dem hunnies, udderwise, you gets da pit bull---you like apples? How you likes dem freeeking apples????????"

Dis contract stufff iz like killin me, bro, cause all dis stuff done bringin me down, bro, all I wants izz to say dat we gots us a freaking grroovey contract, now lets be feelin da saweeeet Tranny luvvin

AWWWWWW YEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lear70]

Let's get these items addressed that you brought up. Wouldn't want any misinformation out there.

How 'bout my questions, too? Pretty please?

 

[Critter717]

I don't post often but here goes.

Yes Dave is a good guy. Dave is a smart guy might be a better statement.
Maybe you might want to ask him about the original internal audit and ethics commitee report. Maybe you could ask him about leaving his position as chief pilot and agreeing to take a position in the NPA....right up until he insisted that he continue to receive a pay rate equal to the check airman override he was getting as chief pilot. The group of idiots that made up the NPA board voted in the raise. Ultimately the secret pay raise for Dave was made public, the pilot group was pissed that the board would vote in a raise without presenting it to the pilot group at large. When the pay raise issue for the board was presented to the pilot group it was voted down. Did Dave stay with the NPA? no. Dave found a position in the training department.
Dave is the guy for indoc...smooth, good delivery, sharp,etc. Another time and place....maybe. We cannot afford to have Dave or the Skipper H. union leaches blowing our cash.

The original audit commitee report is available through the NPA. My vote is for communication and honesty...good or bad. I'm for Allen.

 

[njcapt]

My observations:
... 3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).

Allen was in the crew room all afternoon today (Sunday) talking to everyone he could catch. He was there from before 1400 until I left at 1800.

 

[Ty Webb]

My observations:
1. I think you guys underestimate how many guys have gone through initial indoc in the last couple years. Dave is likeable, trustworthy, and big picture.

Dave may have the big picture, but it's not the same picture as a line pilot. He has spent the last 7 years working for management, and would be serving as Union President with the intention of returning to management . . . . impossible for him to work fully for the pilot group.

2. I think Allen and mgmt hate each other and nothing will get done with current regime.

That is why Management keep trying to personalize this in their propaganda letters, to make it "Management versus Allen". Allen is very reasonable. Have you spoken with him personally to find out his views? Call him at the NPA office and ask him directly. He is very accessible.

3. I have never seen either one in the crew room (guess they don't work weekends).

Actually, Allen has been in the crew room fairly often, and the last time I saw him there was on a weekend.

4. My question for Ty, have you read our contract proposal? It's as one sided as mgmts.

Our leaves room for negotiation, theirs was an absolute insult. There are things in there that should tell you very clearly how management views you and the rest of the pilot group.

I haven't voted yet but I'm leaning towards Dave.

I really hope that you and everyone else comes to the conclusion that a vote for Dave Peck is really a vote against the NPA. Allen will win the election, but it is important to show the company we are united, so I hope you and others will consider that in your vote as well.

 

[curtis46]

just casted my vote
Allen

 

[Murphy]

bump....

voted for Al.

"I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."

Sen John Kerry

 

[Joey Bayonne]

Allen without a doubt. Right guy for the job, and a large majority win would be a great display of unity.

 

[Murphy]

just in from the NPA website............


Election 2007
Polls Closed at 12:00 Noon ET Friday Dec 22nd, 2006
NPA President Total % of Total Votes

Capt. Allen Philpot 545 58.79

Capt. Dave Peck 381 41.10

Write-in:
Schroll, John, #684 1 0.11
Total 927

 

[FIREMAN]

Looks like another two years with no contract !