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PCL_128 said:
Well, the email that Brad sent out says "public distribution approved," so I think it's ok to talk about it outside of his forum. Basically, JS was "offended" about some of the stuff said about him on the forum, so he is considering it libel and slander and sent copies of the posts to the Dept of Labor and to the NPA. I'm not sure what he hopes to gain from it, but it's definitely a violation of his confidentiality agreement, so Brad disabled his account. Not sure if Brad is pursuing legal measures, but it doesn't sound like it based on the email.
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Yet another potential law suit he will expect the membership to pay for.
 
Kharma Police said:
Yet another potential law suit he will expect the membership to pay for.
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You know, this is exactly why I haven't sued the NPA as of yet...

They've trashed my name, outright lied about things with absolutely ZERO proof, libeled me to the entire pilot group and the company but, in the end, I would be basically taking money from the pilots just for my own moral issues and anger, and that's just not right.

Now, if the Association were to completely STOP representing me with the issues I have (like they apparently did with the pilot who just won his initial suit in Orlando over taking his case STRAIGHT to Federal Court outside of the grievance process), we'd have a different animal - a DFR suit, which they have insurance for and I would have no real choice.

I think they could be doing a better job with my representation and they need to represent me on related issues but, as long as they fix them and represent me, I believe it would be unethical to sue to take what amounts to other pilot's dues money just because I was mad about what they said about me.

I disagree strongly with Schroll's actions.
 
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"Public Figure"

Don't know if this pertains but it would seem to me if an individual puts their name in the ring for a position requiring a democratic process, they have effectively made themself a "public figure" and thereby waiving some of their rights. Coupled with the fact that the exchange of information is on a private forum with non-disclosure agreements signed (which he knowingly and willingly joined) don't really see where this will accomplish anything.
Don't walk on the beach if you don't want to get sand in your toes, and don't run for a public office if you don't want people to scrutinize your every move.
Hopefully this will not mire the pilot group in any frivolous lawsuits.
Vote for a stonger NPA, educate yourself and vote. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem with your apathy.
 
In my opinion allowing a scab to become president of a pilots union is akin to allowing a draft dodger to become part of the Veterans of Foreign Wars...or have we become so crappy as a society and country that it doesn't matter to us anymore?
 
PanPan said:
Originally Posted by DonVerita
In my almost 6 years here, I have never read a more well thought out and comprehensive position paper than what I read today from Mike Best. He truely "gets it".

I just voted online for Mike. Very easy decision.

Now, if we can just get him paired up with an equally emphatic and visionary Vice Presidential candidate, we are going to be sitting very nice indeed. We'll know who those candidates will be soon enough.




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Not sure what you mean by him failing. If you mean at the negotiating table, the failures happened when Alan joined in and gave away the house. Mike wanted no part of that and let Alan go down in flames by himself.




"as demonstrated", "in his everyday life" what exactly do you mean? You have made two posts in this thread without actually adding anything meaningful to the conversation. If you just don't like the guy, but you do not have a reason other than your gut, than say that. If you have a specific reason than let us know. So far all you have managed to convince me of is you don't have anything useful to add. Make an actual point or let the rest of us debate the subject with real information.
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I sent ya a PM, buckwheat. I don't get into long public diatribes...tho they're fun to read on some of these threads...any questions, let me know...and I like Mike...and who made you the "Thread Chairman"...chill out...
 
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Spidey said:
I sent ya a PM, buckwheat. I don't get into long public diatribes...tho they're fun to read on some of these threads...any questions, let me know...and I like Mike...and who made you the "Thread Chairman"...chill out...
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Thanks for the name calling and personal attack in your PM. It makes it that much easier to put your "casual observations with diatribes" into perspective. If you would like to attack me based on something I have written here, feel free. If you would like to attack me based on things I have done or said in the "real" world, I welcome that as well. The problem is, you don't know me. Making assumptions about who I am or how connected I am only weakens your arguments.
 
PanPan said:
Thanks for the name calling and personal attack in your PM. It makes it that much easier to put your "casual observations with diatribes" into perspective. If you would like to attack me based on something I have written here, feel free. If you would like to attack me based on things I have done or said in the "real" world, I welcome that as well. The problem is, you don't know me. Making assumptions about who I am or how connected I am only weakens your arguments.
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...yeh, whatever...
 
I no longer work for Airtran and have no a dog in this fight, but I do know John and have flown with him plenty in the early Airtran (not valuejet) days and he is a stand up guy and a good person. Good luck voting fellows.
 
I don't care how nice a guy JS is or how he conducts himself in the cockpit. If his name is on "the list" he's a scab. Everyone wants to talk about shades of grey and levels of scabs. BS. No shades of grey, no levels. If he's on the list he will never get a vote from me.

This pilot group has come too far to let a scab be our MEC president. If we allow JS to be elected we will be the laughing stock of the industry and we would deserve all the cr@p we would get.

Good luck to us all.
 
FIREMAN said:
Write in

None of the above
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I'm with you Fireman. I wrote in a write-in candidate last night. These 4 guys running have 5 more days to prove they are worth voting for. Time to man up to the table and act like future leaders of a pilot union.
 
Anyone that writes in a candidate is doing a disservice to this pilot group. Face facts, guys: either John Schroll or Mike Best will be NPA President. If you don't like either one, then pick the lesser of two evils. But don't throw away your vote.
 
Spidey said:
...anyone know much about David Asche...
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Only from working with him in negotiations, getting stabbed in the back by him with a lot of lies about what happened in negotiations in D.C. last June, then having him go so far as to libel me in writing in public release from the NPA.

Oh,,, that and the entire Section 5 presentation which sold Reserve pilots even further down the river, gave them a 30% pay cut in the process, and fixed 3 problems with our current reserve system while giving us about a dozen MORE problems, including giving up aisle or window seats on deadheads, requiring them to put you on the first returning deadhead and turning lineholders into reserves at outstations, and much, much more.

This is the person you're considering to run the union and direct future negotiations? You might as well have voted yes for TA 2 if you elect Asche to President, 'cause that's what you'll be getting back a few months from now to vote on. The president APPOINTS the NC members, as well as setting the goals for the NC to obtain in negotiations.

Pinkslip, what don't you like about Mike Best?

I agree with PCL128, a vote for anyone not on the ballot is simply throwing away your vote and helping pave the way for yet ANOTHER presidential election next month in the form of a runoff, taking us into December without a president in office if neither candidate gets a clear 50% now.

I have yet to hear a clear, concise argument with valid, factual points as to why Mike Best shouldn't be NPA president...

Anyone? FACTS?
 
Is there a specific reason Unions do not prohibit SCABS from running for elected office, appointment on committee's or any other union function?

Seems to me that crossing a picket line would be disqualifying.

Child molesters and pedophiles cannot live near or essentially have any contact with children, and IMHO, a SCAB is essentially in the same class, so why not prohibit union involvement of any kind?
 
Sorry, My post was to implicate that Schroll is the most or worse evil of anyone out there. His past integrity in unions, his ability to sue the union he is in, and his absences of moral fortitude! Schroll is pond scum to me. My opinions!
 
Pinkslip said:
Sorry, My post was to implicate that Schroll is the most or worse evil of anyone out there. His past integrity in unions, his ability to sue the union he is in, and his absences of moral fortitude! Schroll is pond scum to me. My opinions!
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Oh, OK, I gotcha... thought you were trying to ask if there were any good candidates in the mix. :)
 
Lear70 said:
Only from working with him in negotiations, getting stabbed in the back by him with a lot of lies about what happened in negotiations in D.C. last June, then having him go so far as to libel me in writing in public release from the NPA.

Oh,,, that and the entire Section 5 presentation which sold Reserve pilots even further down the river, gave them a 30% pay cut in the process, and fixed 3 problems with our current reserve system while giving us about a dozen MORE problems, including giving up aisle or window seats on deadheads, requiring them to put you on the first returning deadhead and turning lineholders into reserves at outstations, and much, much more.

This is the person you're considering to run the union and direct future negotiations? You might as well have voted yes for TA 2 if you elect Asche to President, 'cause that's what you'll be getting back a few months from now to vote on. The president APPOINTS the NC members, as well as setting the goals for the NC to obtain in negotiations.

Pinkslip, what don't you like about Mike Best?

I agree with PCL128, a vote for anyone not on the ballot is simply throwing away your vote and helping pave the way for yet ANOTHER presidential election next month in the form of a runoff, taking us into December without a president in office if neither candidate gets a clear 50% now.

I have yet to hear a clear, concise argument with valid, factual points as to why Mike Best shouldn't be NPA president...

Anyone? FACTS?
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...who paid his salary from last Oct to Feb...lookin for facts like you...
 
Spidey, are you talking about Mike Best?

I have no idea... hadn't really looked into it. I'm not sure if the Association put him on full-time buy while he was out or if he took an UNPAID leave of absence, hadn't really thought to ask.

Do you know?
 
Lear70 said:
Spidey, are you talking about Mike Best?

I have no idea... hadn't really looked into it. I'm not sure if the Association put him on full-time buy while he was out or if he took an UNPAID leave of absence, hadn't really thought to ask.

Do you know?
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...yeh...I don't know...was just wonderin...
 
Spidey said:
...who paid his salary from last Oct to Feb...lookin for facts like you...
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I know MB asked for a leave of absence from the company and it was denied (not sure why, maybe out of spite? since we are throwing around rumors and inuendo). I believe he was paid as a consultant by the NPA leadership but they weren't listening to him. If that's the case, I have no problem with my dues going to pay him as a consultant, I'm po'd with the leadership that didn't listen to him. JMHO

He is a little socially inept and that may be due to his relatively young age, but there was no one that I would have rather had negotiating for me then, and now there is no one that I'd rather have hand picking the negotiating committee that will ensure no concessions (not asking for the moon, but there is absolutely no reason we should be giving up anything!)

BTW, I had a good landing today. the next 30 will suck! tells you how good i am!
 
Nothing against Ashe,

But everytime I see him I can only think Gosh!
Its Napolean Dynomite!

Vote for PEDRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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