Airtran pilot staffing

[JT12345]

So we are not getting rid of our current 141 airplanes. Just selling future ones to offset the futures of oil. What are all these rumors about furloughing?

I have never seen an airline furlough without downsizing their fleet. We havn't grown in about what about 3 months, and havn't had any classes for 2 months. Are we really that fat on crews?

Furloughing pilots for a couple of months will cost more than it will save due to downgrades, and switching airplanes. We have to train new instructors too.

A 5% reduction in overall flying and a 2 month seasonal 10% reduction doesn't seem worth it.

 

[PCL_128]

It's more than that, though. The 5% reduction is compared to last year's block hours. The reduction from this July to September will be 20% of our total block hours. That's a big cut. Does it justify furloughs? I doubt it, but they didn't ask me.

 

[AAflyer]

It's more than that, though. The 5% reduction is compared to last year's block hours. The reduction from this July to September will be 20% of our total block hours. That's a big cut. Does it justify furloughs? I doubt it, but they didn't ask me.

Did Airtran have the B737-800 orders as well the -700 orders, or were there options for the -800?


Thanks

AAflyer

 

[PCL_128]

Did Airtran have the B737-800 orders as well the -700 orders, or were there options for the -800?


Thanks

AAflyer

We only had -700s on order, but a bunch of the orders had options to convert to -800s. When I got hired there was a lot of speculation about converting options to get the bigger airframes, but that's obviously changed now. Why, are you guys looking for -800 slots?

 

[AAflyer]

We only had -700s on order, but a bunch of the orders had options to convert to -800s. When I got hired there was a lot of speculation about converting options to get the bigger airframes, but that's obviously changed now. Why, are you guys looking for -800 slots?

We are taking delivery of roughly 70 -800s over the next 2 years. I wasn't sure if those would be readily available or if some carriers were canceling their -800 orders/ options.


AAflyer

 

[Wheres the van?]

We only had -700s on order, but a bunch of the orders had options to convert to -800s. When I got hired there was a lot of speculation about converting options to get the bigger airframes, but that's obviously changed now. Why, are you guys looking for -800 slots?

I would be careful of whom you invite into your house.Airtran could be picked up by AA for around $3 billion,sales of gates and other assets would net AA around $1billion,leaving AA with a fuel efficient immediate replacement for there MDs,$2billion for 141 aircraft saving AA vast sums of money in the short term would pay for itself very quickly.But dont worry APA will make you an offer you cant refuse.

 

[PCL_128]

I would be careful of whom you invite into your house.Airtran could be picked up by AA for around $3 billion,sales of gates and other assets would net AA around $1billion,leaving AA with a fuel efficient immediate replacement for there MDs,$2billion for 141 aircraft saving AA vast sums of money in the short term would pay for itself very quickly.But dont worry APA will make you an offer you cant refuse.

Huh? I didn't "invite" anyone in to our house. I was simply asking him if he thought AMR might be looking to pick up the slots that we have given up over the next few years. I don't foresee any acquisitions in this environment, anyway. No one can get $3 billion financing in this credit environment. The era of mergers and acquisitions in this industry ended as quickly as it began.

 

[flyzimex]

No one can get $3 billion financing in this credit environment. .

Not a major of course, but XOJet recently came pretty close with $2.5 billion :beer: .

Now back to the original topic at hand..

FZ

 

[Wheres the van?]

Not a major of course, but XOJet recently came pretty close with $2.5 billion :beer: .

Now back to the original topic at hand..

FZ

No need to worry were the financing might come from(stock swap,British Airways 25% stake in AA,simple assumption of Airtran debt or even new equity)because such a move would be inspired,but ironically most of the US airline second and third rate CEOs are more concerned with trying to bake the worlds cheapest pizza,so Airtran remains safe while these morons remain at the helm.(Dont get me wrong,Airtran is a fantastic operation,great people great service Im merely playing devils advocate or is it greedy capitalist its hard to tell these days).

 

[PCL_128]

Not a major of course, but XOJet recently came pretty close with $2.5 billion :beer: .

Now back to the original topic at hand..

FZ

That's actually pretty impressive. It is a fractional, though, so they may be seen as a safer credit risk. Everything I've heard about the failed UAL/CAL merger was that it fell apart due to problems getting money for the transaction. Airlines aren't exactly seen as good credit risks right now.

 

[Max Powers]

I would be careful of whom you invite into your house.Airtran could be picked up by AA for around $3 billion,sales of gates and other assets would net AA around $1billion,leaving AA with a fuel efficient immediate replacement for there MDs,$2billion for 141 aircraft saving AA vast sums of money in the short term would pay for itself very quickly.But dont worry APA will make you an offer you cant refuse.

Let me guess you is not college edumacated????

AirTran's market cap. or Total shares outstanding x cost per share is less than 300 million. This means someone could easily buy out the company; offering a small premium over market cap. In other words 400 million would get you AAI - lock, stock and barrel. However, we have liabilities and a merger with AA (or really anyone save SWA) would not make any sense for the take over company.

 

[AAflyer]

Wow, only on flight info,

I simply asked if AAI had -800s on oder or option. I know we may want to accelerate the delivery of even more 737s if it is possible.


Cheers

AAflyer

 

[pipejockey]

However, we have liabilities and a merger with AA (or really anyone save SWA) would not make any sense for the take over company.

For 400 million, why wouldn't it make sense for Delta to buy valuejet, then shut it down? It would be best for the industry as a whole. Atlanta wouldn't be a bad place! Oh but wait, I am sure our wonderful government policies wouldn't let that stand. They are obsessed with unreasonably low fares. It would be a catastrophe if we eliminated some competition, so as to raise fares. If our government would just let the weak wither up and die already, most of us would be better off, except for the traveling public anyway, but I don't give a damn about them, as the bottom 20% of them have no business flying anyway at the prices they are paying. So much for capitalism.

 

[climbhappy]

after 9/11, you guys pulled together and (took paycuts?) so there would be no furloughs. any talk of that? I have a friend who is near the bottom .got on last dec ... thanks

 

[jester757]

Listening to AAI's CEO... the place is for sale if the price is right. Then again we all are for sale---