AirTran/Npa TA update

[BR715]

Heard from Ferris' older cousins brother former roomate that the negotiations aren't going to hot. The mediator is crying again that were asking for to much and Kolski's been having temper tantrums. Also heard that the company almost walked out. I say let the mediator and the company continue to complain while we informational picket and rapidly move to a formation of a strike committee. I believe these tyrades from SK are all part of his little game. So if he wants to play his we will just have to play ours.

 

[pit717]

lets do it now .....what the hell is everyone waiting for......ive had my uniform on for 2 mths waiting for someone to tell me where to go.......other than hell

 

[gt1900]

Its the companys negotiating tactics.... It will take a united AAI pilot group to get the company to take notice.... Where do we picket?

 

[Just thinking]

I call a do over

To heck with this... Kolski can rant and rave all he wants. Put it to a vote now...we will vote it down... get a professional labor firm to represent the pilot group and start over. Game On... time to get what we have paid for for the past couple of years. Take the money that has been stashed in the war chest and have the Pros do the work for us. Get a pilot steering committee for the attorneys and we will go from there. Outside review of the accounting books for ALL costs for the past couple of years with full disclosure to the membership. The company would sure like to get their labor contracts in order... keep dragging your feet and you can juggle the flight attendants as well (I think it is due in 08). Let 2nd qtr ''record'' profits work to the pilots advantage. The company screwed up bad and their negotiators should have played nicely and put forth a contract last year with a little stroking... probably would have passed. Now they have other forces working against them outside of the pilot group. Stretched their forces too thin and the battle front is getting wider. Now is the time to stay calm... vote this down because all of the intel is pointing to another piece of crap TA. Recall... profesional negotiators... start over and get what we truly deserve. Maintain our profession... maintain our dignity.... do not sell ourselves short.... Great opportuntiy to continue to develop this company as a professional pilot group that is proud of our profession. Never let them see you sweat.

 

[tubelcane]

I wholeheartedly agree....never let them see you sweat!

 

[-9Capt]

I hear the company did walk out. Just a bunch of posturing, that's all.

Looks like we'll be voting on it after all. Go out and buy some comfortable walking shoes gentlemen. It's time for the media relations people to start earning their money.

 

[newnan]

Lear,

When will you be able to fill us in? I caught the end of todays P2P conference call and it didn't sound promising.

 

[EMBATP]

walk

im ready to start a little picketing myself...........

 

[pit717]

why the hell after three days of neg. have we heard nothing....

 

[Newjetjockey]

www.airtranpilots.org

Information available as well as recall forms in the download section.

 

[PCL_128]

Lear,

When will you be able to fill us in? I caught the end of todays P2P conference call and it didn't sound promising.

I doubt that Lear will be able to disclose very much information. I think he said that a confidentiality agreement was required.

 

[cobra1]

Time to get the Log-books out and a No.2 pencil and scantron filled out.

 

[Sunking]

It really chaps my hide to have to come to Flightinfo.com in order to get info that my union should be providing me on their website.

 

[mnboyev]

don't have to...u should get emails and attend the conference call (not always convenient)....?

call the office and get signed up.. .weekly updates and President 'quips' are posted pretty frequently ...not much info...but not sure they can really say much legally?..

 

[SkiFishFly]

Trying to understand what the future may hold...

Worst case scenario in my mind.
- We get a semi-polished version of what we have already seen.
- We vote no (which we shoulda done to begin with - but our "leadership" won't let us).
- Company says - we are at an impasse
- 30 day "cooling off"


Now what?
- Can the company legally impose the "TA" that we voted down?
- Can they legally impose something worse?

If they do that, I assume we would choose not to work under these terms. I just want to know what might happen should we end up going down this road.

 

[Ace McCoy]

Worst case scenario in my mind.
- We get a semi-polished version of what we have already seen.
- We vote no (which we shoulda done to begin with - but our "leadership" won't let us).
- Company says - we are at an impasse
- 30 day "cooling off"


Now what?
- Can the company legally impose the "TA" that we voted down?
- Can they legally impose something worse?

If they do that, I assume we would choose not to work under these terms. I just want to know what might happen should we end up going down this road.

It is not the company that calls an impasse it is the mediator, though the company has a great influence on the mediator in declaring that impasse.

When that impasse is declared the 30 day cooling off period begins with "super" mediation. At the end of that period the company can impose whatever contract they want and the pilots can strike.

So yes at the end of that cooling of period the company can impose something even worse than the TA but we don't have to show up for work.

Did that answer some of your questions?

 

[Lear70]

I doubt that Lear will be able to disclose very much information. I think he said that a confidentiality agreement was required.

Correct.

And, that notwithstanding, the mediator put us under a gag order on Wednesday afternoon except for official communication from the NPA to the pilots (official blast emails).

I can talk about the T.A. that is CURRENTLY out, because it was already out. I can't say why or how things were negotiated in it that I've learned since being part of the PAC (President's Advisory Committee), and I'm still not part of the NC.

I also can't say anything about what happened in D.C. At all. Period. Except to say that I did not have an enjoyable time, because that's a personal feeling/opinion which in no way implies that said feeling/opinion is a reflection of the negotiations.

Boyev is right; more information is distributed to the P2P's than anywhere else, so sign up and stay informed.

Sorry I can't say more. If/when another T.A. comes out, I WILL be posting my OPINION of it, section by section, and telling you whether I'm going to personally vote for it or against it. I'll also be clarifying my original paper if the existing T.A. goes out for vote.

I still, even then, won't be able to say WHY things were done a certain way or what was said at the table. My confidentiality agreement with the NPA remains in force until released by the NPA.

Hopefully my analysis of certain sections and decision to vote yes or no will speak for itself then.

Thanks for the support!

 

[EMBATP]

update on the npa website basically saying they cant say anything....

conference call july 19....

 

[Citrusflyer]

There's more to the update than "nothing" .....

Either we get the "new" TA or the old one to vote on within 30 days. But.....if it's the new one there will only be a minor change or two brought forward (see core time).

IF (a big IF) the vote is done quickly, according to the NPA, there will be only a limited time for any type of "leveraged" negotiations prior to the Midwest merger should it fail.

This is the proverbial monkey f&*#@$ a football. The company played the NPA like a fiddle. We will basically have the same old TA to vote on, unless some July surprise materializes. And a new TA would undoubtedly be met with the same amorous affection as the last one, and then only a few weeks (maybe months) of any leverage to solve the problem.

Can I strike against the union also?!!!!!?

 

[crosscut]

Now what?
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ALPA vote is "what," IMO. AND THE SOONER, THE BETTER!

 

[Ace McCoy]

ALPA vote is "what," IMO. AND THE SOONER, THE BETTER!

You know I really want a national union on the property. It is not the answer to all our problems but at least we could have some support from people experienced in negotiating.

Plus I think the dues are cheaper too.

 

[twepilot]

ALPA???? Are you freaking on crack??? Remember what Randy Babbit said re: LCC's a few years ago. ALPA is not the friend of a LCC.

RV

 

[crosscut]

You have better ideas? Take an "ALPA vote" & see where the membership stands. You might be surprised to find yourself in the minority

 

[AppBrookie]

I would take it for the aeromedical and legal services.
Agreed, ALPA is not the end all answer, but give me something for my dues money.

 

[SkiFishFly]

It is not the company that calls an impasse it is the mediator, though the company has a great influence on the mediator in declaring that impasse.

When that impasse is declared the 30 day cooling off period begins with "super" mediation. At the end of that period the company can impose whatever contract they want and the pilots can strike.

So yes at the end of that cooling of period the company can impose something even worse than the TA but we don't have to show up for work.

Did that answer some of your questions?

So lets say the worst case scenario does come down and we choose not to work. What happens to thoose of us that don't come to work then?
Will the Company use the Midwest guys against us somehow?
Would the Midwest guys/ALPA support us and not cross a picket line?

 

[DonVerita]

ALPA???? Are you freaking on crack??? Remember what Randy Babbit said re: LCC's a few years ago. ALPA is not the friend of a LCC.

RV

Randy Babbit? That was many many moons ago and is old news. Duane Woerth was not much better...and he lost re-election because of it.

Now there's a new sheriff in town and I for one would like to hear what the new ALPA President John Prater has to say about us and what he and ALPA could do for us if we were to join with them. It costs us nothing to hear what they have to say.

Capt. Prater, please come to ATL and speak to us...in person. And bring your excellent media department with you so a DVD quality presentation could be posted on a portion of the ALPA server dedicated for the use of the AirTran Airways pilots that were not able to make it to one of your conference hall presentation(s).

 

[crosscut]

Capt. Prater, please come to ATL and speak to us...in person. And bring your excellent media department with you so a DVD quality presentation could be posted on a portion of the ALPA server dedicated for the use of the AirTran Airways pilots that were not able to make it to one of your conference hall presentation(s).

I second the invitation. Just say when & where.

 

[RadioClash]

I may be comparing apples to oranges here. If ASA cannot get released after almost 5 years of negotiations, I believe they (the union) were told to go back to the table recently then how or why could our mgt get released so quickly if it came down to that?

Seems to me that mgt needs some type of motivation, from the pilot group, to work out a fair contract and Kolonoscopy needs to grow the f$%K up during negotiations. What a f$%kin moron.

 

[STL717]

ALPA helps DELTA more than Airtran.

ALPA could really help Delta if they helped shut down Airtran!!!!

 

[Kharma Police]

ALPA helps DELTA more than Airtran.

ALPA could really help Delta if they helped shut down Airtran!!!!

How could ALPA shut down AirTran? Maybe if ALPA pulled some strings and made Ichan the new CEO?