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jetdawg

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is this just the start of Airtran going after Midwest or Northwest or just time to start an expansion in the Midwest.

Also read Midwest was increasing and upgrading their service to PHL. Looking for a big jet upgrade but just a 32 seat jet to a 50 seater. WOW, great news and good job TIMMY.
 
jetdawg said:
is this just the start of Airtran going after Midwest or Northwest or just time to start an expansion in the Midwest.

Also read Midwest was increasing and upgrading their service to PHL. Looking for a big jet upgrade but just a 32 seat jet to a 50 seater. WOW, great news and good job TIMMY.
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The last time the 328 went to PHL was 3 years ago. You should learn how to read.
 
I am curious to see what TPG intends to do with Midwest. Sure, you can add some code-sharing agreements to pump revenue a bit, but there is not much you can do with a finite number of leather-seated 717s and a few random MD80s. Fleet growth could be restricted - it's not like there are that many 717s sitting around for Midwest to procure and enter a growth phase. Does that mean a new aircraft type order? If you are constrained in terms of revenue growth opportunities, then you need to reduce costs to actually improve profits (no more cookies made on the flights). How would you boost revenue considerably - increased aircraft utilization?

I am sure TPG would want to exit Midwest in 3-5 years (typical for a private equity investment). But you need scale and an improved product to make it attractive to other investors. So, does that entail another merger to provide needed scale and then an eventual IPO of the combined entity?

It will be interesting to watch how Air Tran responds now that it has been rebuffed. Does MKE offer any extra gates or will Air Tran be gate-constrained there?
 
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jetdawg said:
is this just the start of Airtran going after Midwest or Northwest or just time to start an expansion in the Midwest.

Also read Midwest was increasing and upgrading their service to PHL. Looking for a big jet upgrade but just a 32 seat jet to a 50 seater. WOW, great news and good job TIMMY.
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MKE-PHX is a low yield market so you ain't hitting anything where it hurts.

PHL was a 717 and was downgraded to a 50 seat jet due to the 717's being needed on the added LAX turns from MCI and OMA.

glad to see the business fairies who guaranteed a merger are now moving on to the "destroyer" option. great bunch of folks on this thread. you should vote no no yes as it appears it is what you deserve then.

twepilot, i am assuming you are ex-twa and i would expect a little bit more from someone from that fine airline.
 
The time is right for a blistering business move on Midex. They're shaken and weak at the knees from TGPs' buyout, now they'll just have to duck and cover.
 
crashpad said:
The time is right for a blistering business move on Midex. They're shaken and weak at the knees from TGPs' buyout, now they'll just have to duck and cover.
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since you are an expert maybe you can explain the difference between now and 2 months ago in terms of timing of a "blistering" move?

don't count out dick schifter. his growth pattern will produce lots of spurts of activity as the md80's are replaced.
 
Northwest should cannibalize Midwest. Take the 717s and replace some of their DC-9s. Like ATA, a few years from now, Midwest will have wished they'd taken AirTran's offer. We're just getting cockblocked which is rather flattering.
 
alpine1989 said:
Don't choke on your big head. ATA is much better off without AirTran.
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My call sign in the Air Force was Tripod. Thanks for noticing. There's some Sen from Idaho who may be interested. Give him a call.
 
Murphy said:
Northwest should cannibalize Midwest. Take the 717s and replace some of their DC-9s. Like ATA, a few years from now, Midwest will have wished they'd taken AirTran's offer. We're just getting cockblocked which is rather flattering.
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shouldn't you worry about your crappy TA? the nostradamus's on here have been 100% wrong on the AirTran / Midwest merger so far, I expect that trend to continue in the future.

Now go run away, JL needs some Air Tran FO's down in MCO to carry his wallet around.
 
Our crappy TA has significantly higher pay rates than you will ever be presented at Midwest.
 
Murphy said:
Our crappy TA has significantly higher pay rates than you will ever be presented at Midwest.
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vote yes then.

are you beating your chest typing in this one upsmanship, midwest must die, crap? keep on bragging, tripod.
 
Actually, I have some scope issues. I know it is down on most people's wish list, but I have some per diem issues also. May seem trivial to some, but no per diem increase in a decade could be a showstopper. Uz militariez guyz likz our per diem. U knowz whats i'm talkinz about? It's okay. I'm a fledgling eubonics student. Bearz wit me.
 
Murphy said:
Northwest should cannibalize Midwest. Take the 717s and replace some of their DC-9s. Like ATA, a few years from now, Midwest will have wished they'd taken AirTran's offer. We're just getting cockblocked which is rather flattering.
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AirTran execs can't close a deal. 0 for 2. You guys want to make it 0 for 3? Who's next?
 
It'll be 1 for 3 if we pass this TA. Good baseball batting average.
 
runwayjockey said:
Bitter are we?
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...for most of the guys, it has absolutely no bearing on what they do...there are a few in the schoolhouse, goin WHEW!...cuz they don't have to make a MASS CAT III, VNAV, etc course to teach any new partners in crime how to fly the 717 in a lil more advanced way...and when it comes down to it, we're all just folks tryin to get by...and we all know who the 5% dorkwadd, lazy, egotistical, hope-they-never-a-real-emergency 'pilots' are...oh, better finish this last beer, gotta a sim in 10 minutes...better eat my cookie too...
 
Spidey said:
..there are a few in the schoolhouse, goin WHEW!...cuz they don't have to make a MASS CAT III, VNAV, etc course to teach any new partners in crime how to fly the 717 in a lil more advanced way...
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so airtran is topgun for 717 operators? teaching you to fly the 717 faster and more dangerous. never, ever leave your wingman. if you think up there, you die!
 
CitationLover said:
so airtran is topgun for 717 operators? teaching you to fly the 717 faster and more dangerous. never, ever leave your wingman. if you think up there, you die!
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Hey Citation,

Dude, that is hysterical! Made my day...

Don't let these clowns get you down. I've got an Tranny buddy who swore up and down 20 ways to Sunday that the Midwest deal was done.

He told me that after the %60 stock proffer that it was done, and no way could someone else come in, and that it was as good as selling the stock. When I told him I didn't think it quite worked that way, and that I'd bet NWA makes an offer, he just about bit my head off...how dare I go against the "Word of Joe".

Just remember, it ain't over till the Fat F/A sings...

Nu
 
It's amazing how wound up folks get over this shat. Some of youse guys been thru more than one airline to boot. Your fellow pilot is your friend, not an adversary or enemy and might actually help you get a job when your company goes down the ********************ter, which most do. (Who woulda ever thought PanAm,TWA,EAL,
Braniff,blah blah blah would have gone out?) The old adage that your copilot might be your next chief pilot is true. So boys, play nice.
 
You guys ever try fishing for fun?... It is rather more enjoyable... as opposed to spitting in fellow airman's faces. Who gives a rip.....probably best for everyone.... Now go spend time Tranny guys on the road show and reviewing the TA2.

Ya'll sound like a bunch of backpack toting..Doc Martin wearin..big watch sportin..greased up hair stylin RJ pukes......please.
 

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