Airtran merger committee

[Flying the Line]

Could one of the Airtran guys verify the merger committee members that approved the SLI as these guys.

Airtran numbers:
333
752
953
960
1096

Only two captains, three f/os.

 

[On Your Six]

Could one of the Airtran guys verify the merger committee members that approved the SLI as these guys.

Airtran numbers:
333
752
953
960
1096

Only two captains, three f/os.

I don't work there, but what's the deal with these people? If there are 3 FOs on that committee, how could they like that deal? No upgrades in sight for decades? Geniuses blinded by money with no QOL for years? How many more questions can I ask? Good question?


OYS?

 

[slaquer5]

I don't work there, but what's the deal with these people? If there are 3 FOs on that committee, how could they like that deal? No upgrades in sight for decades? Geniuses blinded by money with no QOL for years? How many more questions can I ask? Good question?


OYS?

But you do work there

 

[Kharma Police]

Could one of the Airtran guys verify the merger committee members that approved the SLI as these guys.

Airtran numbers:
333
752
953
960
1096

Only two captains, three f/os.

We only have four members.

 

[GuppyWN]

Are all the FO's on the MC within the targeted FO pay bump?

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

1 Senior CA
1 Junior CA
2 Senior FO's

The 5th person you are referring to is likely the Chairman of the Contract Negotiations Committee. He is an FO.

He is not part of the Merger Committee, but part of the Transition Committee, which handles the details of how we would transition from our CBA to the SWAPA CBA. For example, work rules, benefits, etc.

 

[Lear70]

Are all the FO's on the MC within the targeted FO pay bump?

Gup

Yes.

And Ty is right on the committee composition.

 

[j41driver]

If you're talking about the FO longevity adjustment, only 1 of the FO's on the MC are on that list.

 

[Flying the Line]

I believe that if SWAPA can convince this group that is a fair deal, then I believe they can convince the arbitrators. Also, the f/o longevity issues proves that the deal is about the money.

 

[freightdogfred]

Here's a pic of them

http://www.google.com.pr/imgres?img...JMTuzyJeeNsQKHuIGgCA&ved=0CCQQ9QEwAg&dur=1498


sorry i could not resist

 

[Empennage]

I believe that if SWAPA can convince this group that is a fair deal, then I believe they can convince the arbitrators. Also, the f/o longevity issues proves that the deal is about the money.

Would you not agree with the fact that the reason Gary continues to throw money at the aip is due to the fact that he thinks it's a good deal for him, his shareholders, his employees and swa culture? This deal cost Swa a fortune. An arbitrated one could potentially cost him less pending how elects to handle it. It also could end up costing him vastly more.

I should add there are some significant cost savings in the aip and that is my point on it potentially costing him more post arbitration. Examples are aircraft training events or costs associated with waivers to scope.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I should add there are some significant cost savings in the aip and that is my point on it potentially costing him more post arbitration. Examples are aircraft training events or costs associated with waivers to scope.

Just think how much of that money he will make back when he sells the 717's if this goes to arbitration?

 

[jonjuan]

Just think how much of that money he will make back when he sells the 717's if this goes to arbitration?

and in turn how much of that $$$ will go straight into a variety of attorney's drug dealers bank accounts.

 

[General Lee]

I believe that if SWAPA can convince this group that is a fair deal, then I believe they can convince the arbitrators. Also, the f/o longevity issues proves that the deal is about the money.

But via arbitration, they will get the money (eventually), and the seniority that is fair, something that many don't want them to have. The bottom 650 essentially stapled? COME ON NOW. No upgrade for AT FOs until guys junior to them upgrade? NO WAY. GK wants this deal done, and so does Wall Street. So, he will pay everyone the same if he wants equal work. Where is that famous Southwest CULTURE?????



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Just think how much of that money he will make back when he sells the 717's if this goes to arbitration?

This of course is another threat from Billy.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Would you not agree with the fact that the reason Gary continues to throw money at the aip is due to the fact that he thinks it's a good deal for him, his shareholders, his employees and swa culture? This deal cost Swa a fortune. An arbitrated one could potentially cost him less pending how elects to handle it. It also could end up costing him vastly more.

I should add there are some significant cost savings in the aip and that is my point on it potentially costing him more post arbitration. Examples are aircraft training events or costs associated with waivers to scope.

Something arbitrated could also allow GK to save face, giving him the ability to point the finger at someone else and say "hey, he decided it, not me, and let's move on to business now, like announcing our new route from El Paso to Valdosta on 717s....."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Empennage]

Something arbitrated could also allow GK to save face, giving him the ability to point the finger at someone else and say "hey, he decided it, not me, and let's move on to business now, like announcing our new route from El Paso to Valdosta on 717s....."


Bye Bye---General Lee

El paso to Valdosta on a 717 operated by volaris. Good point GL.

 

[Empennage]

But via arbitration, they will get the money (eventually), and the seniority that is fair, something that many don't want them to have. The bottom 650 essentially stapled? COME ON NOW. No upgrade for AT FOs until guys junior to them upgrade? NO WAY. GK wants this deal done, and so does Wall Street. So, he will pay everyone the same if he wants equal work. Where is that famous Southwest CULTURE?????



Bye Bye---General Lee

Wrong gl. The money is not a slam-dunk post arbitration. It is only in a negotiated settlement.

 

[On Your Six]

Wrong gl. The money is not a slam-dunk post arbitration. It is only in a negotiated settlement.

So you're saying there could be a B-scale post arbitration? That could rip the airline apart, and that culture. I hope that doesn't happen! Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Empennage]

So you're saying there could be a B-scale post arbitration? That could rip the airline apart, and that culture. I hope that doesn't happen! Godspeed!


OYS

Wow ... I don't even ask you for it, and yet, you so precisely shown your lack of knowledge in the matter. Oys thank you. I'm glad everyone can read your reply.

I, and I'm sure others, have viewed flight info as a professional bb for some period of time. Mostly it has been a place we can come to chat, air things out and move forward adding a piece to our knowledge base. The Airtran/Swa debate has certainly been unique.

I have earned respect for many since September. A few include Lear and even Ty web. Many posters have elected to use the board for constructive conversations.

Others have used it to exploit a specific circumstance for some individual benefit. This is a perfect example. A poster is extrapolating an opinion from something I stated which makes no sense. My point is extruded due to the fact that the full understanding of the process simply does not exist.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt because this doesn't happen every day and each situation is specific and unique. At this point, however, we should be beyond that.

Folks as professionals, we are better than this. Please stick to the facts at hand.