Airtran merger committee

[General Lee]

Would you not agree with the fact that the reason Gary continues to throw money at the aip is due to the fact that he thinks it's a good deal for him, his shareholders, his employees and swa culture? This deal cost Swa a fortune. An arbitrated one could potentially cost him less pending how elects to handle it. It also could end up costing him vastly more.

I should add there are some significant cost savings in the aip and that is my point on it potentially costing him more post arbitration. Examples are aircraft training events or costs associated with waivers to scope.

Something arbitrated could also allow GK to save face, giving him the ability to point the finger at someone else and say "hey, he decided it, not me, and let's move on to business now, like announcing our new route from El Paso to Valdosta on 717s....."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Empennage]

Something arbitrated could also allow GK to save face, giving him the ability to point the finger at someone else and say "hey, he decided it, not me, and let's move on to business now, like announcing our new route from El Paso to Valdosta on 717s....."


Bye Bye---General Lee

El paso to Valdosta on a 717 operated by volaris. Good point GL.

 

[Empennage]

But via arbitration, they will get the money (eventually), and the seniority that is fair, something that many don't want them to have. The bottom 650 essentially stapled? COME ON NOW. No upgrade for AT FOs until guys junior to them upgrade? NO WAY. GK wants this deal done, and so does Wall Street. So, he will pay everyone the same if he wants equal work. Where is that famous Southwest CULTURE?????



Bye Bye---General Lee

Wrong gl. The money is not a slam-dunk post arbitration. It is only in a negotiated settlement.

 

[On Your Six]

Wrong gl. The money is not a slam-dunk post arbitration. It is only in a negotiated settlement.

So you're saying there could be a B-scale post arbitration? That could rip the airline apart, and that culture. I hope that doesn't happen! Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Empennage]

So you're saying there could be a B-scale post arbitration? That could rip the airline apart, and that culture. I hope that doesn't happen! Godspeed!


OYS

Wow ... I don't even ask you for it, and yet, you so precisely shown your lack of knowledge in the matter. Oys thank you. I'm glad everyone can read your reply.

I, and I'm sure others, have viewed flight info as a professional bb for some period of time. Mostly it has been a place we can come to chat, air things out and move forward adding a piece to our knowledge base. The Airtran/Swa debate has certainly been unique.

I have earned respect for many since September. A few include Lear and even Ty web. Many posters have elected to use the board for constructive conversations.

Others have used it to exploit a specific circumstance for some individual benefit. This is a perfect example. A poster is extrapolating an opinion from something I stated which makes no sense. My point is extruded due to the fact that the full understanding of the process simply does not exist.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt because this doesn't happen every day and each situation is specific and unique. At this point, however, we should be beyond that.

Folks as professionals, we are better than this. Please stick to the facts at hand.

 

[madjack]

Here are some facts: AAI or SWA votes this down...off to arbitration and all the sugar cookies on the table for AAI (and for SWA:the 1.25 flying with junior tranny override pay) are now up for negotiation...Now some conjectured BS on my part: Mr Kelly saves $$, but he risks the culture to a panel of judges...an Arby outcome that is worse than this AIP for the SWA pilots will go over like a lead balloon here and Mr Kelly will have lost the pilots, a calculated risk he took by deciding to buy AAI. He is trying to buy the seniority of the AAI pilots to make the integration more palatable to his pilots...

 

[Empennage]

Here are some facts: AAI or SWA votes this down...off to arbitration and all the sugar cookies on the table for AAI (and for SWA:the 1.25 flying with junior tranny override pay) are now up for negotiation...Now some conjectured BS on my part: Mr Kelly saves $$, but he risks the culture to a panel of judges...an Arby outcome that is worse than this AIP for the SWA pilots will go over like a lead balloon here and Mr Kelly will have lost the pilots, a calculated risk he took by deciding to buy AAI. He is trying to buy the seniority of the AAI pilots to make the integration more palatable to his pilots...

It's important to point out the arbitrator does not arbitrate or determine any of the goodies, only the isl. Additionally, it's worth noting who does.

 

[Flying the Line]

Once again, if these guys thought this was a good deal, so will the arbitrator.

 

[MILF Hunter]

1 Senior CA
1 Junior CA
2 Senior FO's

The 5th person you are referring to is likely the Chairman of the Contract Negotiations Committee. He is an FO.

He is not part of the Merger Committee, but part of the Transition Committee, which handles the details of how we would transition from our CBA to the SWAPA CBA. For example, work rules, benefits, etc.

But Ty, I thought your MC went rogue and worked all those details out without the input of you NC Chair. I thought part of your MEC's problem with the AIP was that the MC over-stepped its bounds big time, and therefore the deal shouldn't have been up for consideration.

Oh, and BTW, you may have heard that y'all won't be needing an NC for those items anyways. That ship sailed! Good luck!!