Airtran MEC voted no

[DougCorp-9]

SWAPA secrets are leaking out. Things are about to get interesting. The 'LUV" just keeps getting better.

 

[Dude]

What secrets?

 

[vixin]

Like what?

 

[jonjuan]

Who's on First?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I guess our MEC is just becoming aware of some MOU's between SWA and SWAPA that were agreed to while in three party negotiations before SIA #1. It explains why we keep hearing SWA guys say they have an agreement to all the ATN captain seats prior to 1/1/15 when we did not see it. Might mean SWAPA and SWA were not negotiating in good faith. Might be evidence for the DRC. Might mean nothing. Who knows. Just evidence that this was a two on one full court press from the beginning.

 

[Quiet Flight]

You'd be singing a different tune if your new employer threw you over a barrel and screwed you up the brown eye then kissed you on the forehead.

What you do in your free time is your business, pal. Don't think this is the proper venue to share and/or troll for new "friends".

 

[redflyer65]

I guess our MEC is just becoming aware of some MOU's between SWA and SWAPA that were agreed to while in three party negotiations before SIA #1. It explains why we keep hearing SWA guys say they have an agreement to all the ATN captain seats prior to 1/1/15 when we did not see it. Might mean SWAPA and SWA were not negotiating in good faith. Might be evidence for the DRC. Might mean nothing. Who knows. Just evidence that this was a two on one full court press from the beginning.

It means nothing. The company can run the business any way they see fit. There decisions were not a conflict with either our CBA or the SLI agreement.

 

[Britpilot]

It means nothing. The company can run the business any way they see fit. There decisions were not a conflict with either our CBA or the SLI agreement.

Not quite.
We shall see how this plays out.
If nothing else it serves only to increase the distrust between AirTran pilots and SWAPA.

 

[fletch717]

It means nothing. The company can run the business any way they see fit. There decisions were not a conflict with either our CBA or the SLI agreement.

We will see, a secret agreement while we we voting on SLI 2 to delay AT captains from re-upgrading after 2015 will cause is more bad blood.

 

[redflyer65]

So Southwest comes out with a conversion schedule for the AAI 737s in Sept 2011 and that's big deal?

The other was an agreement for an ATL base. It has to be a 737 base because there won't be a 717. And that's a big deal too?

Yawn.

 

[Britpilot]

So Southwest comes out with a conversion schedule for the AAI 737s in Sept 2011 and that's big deal?

The other was an agreement for an ATL base. It has to be a 737 base because there won't be a 717. And that's a big deal too?

Yawn.

If its no big deal then why not tell us about it?
It's these back door deals that make us distrust you.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

How is did they get raped? If you look at all the other work groups that went to arbitration it look like the Airtran pilots came out about the same if not ahead? What did you expect DOH or Relative? It wasn't a merger of equals and that was pointed out over and over through arbitration.

When FEDEX ACQUIRED/BOUGHT/merged/etc. (whatever you experts want to call it) a bankrupt small airline which consisted of roughly 10+ airplanes the pilots got integrated by RELATIVE seniority. #1 guy in FT was paired with the #1 guy in FEDEX.

It will be ironic if one day SW guys get stapled by AirChina .

Has happened in the past and will happen to someone in the future. I see plenty of 55 year old former Boeing check airmen flying reserve FO schedules and living in crashpads.

Humility, that's my advice to SW fellas.

 

[SWA/FO]

Fellow SWAPA Pilots,

Today the AirTran MEC sent a message to their pilots stating that two Memorandums of Understanding (MOU) were agreed to between Southwest Airlines and SWAPA without the "knowledge of or consultation with the ATN MEC or the ATN pilot group." The MOUs referenced address the aircraft conversion (agreed to in September 2011) and the opening of the ATL pilot domicile (agreed to December 2012).

Both MOUs were agreements between SWAPA and SWA. They are consistent with the Seniority Integration Agreement (SIA) and with our CBA. These MOUs do not change the intent or execution of the three-party Seniority Integration Agreements.

The Aircraft Conversion MOU states that all AirTran 737 conversions will be completed no later than September 1, 2014 to ensure that all upgrades resulting from the transition of the 737 would be accomplished in a timely manner as not to conflict with the January 1, 2015 transition deadline.

SL10 (as part of the SIA) grants SWAPA and SWA the authority to modify the requirement for a 717 Atlanta domicile with mutual agreement. Due to the transition of the 717 aircraft to Delta, there will be no SWA 717's to open an Atlanta domicile. In accordance with SL10, SWA and SWAPA mutually agreed to open an Atlanta 737 domicile instead of an Atlanta 717 domicile.

If you hear any rumors on the line please contact your Domicile Reps for the facts. Thank you for staying engaged and if more details emerge, we will keep you informed.


Mark

Try to be happy - you sorry #$cks....

 

[Britpilot]

When FEDEX ACQUIRED/BOUGHT/merged/etc. (whatever you experts want to call it) a bankrupt small airline which consisted of roughly 10+ airplanes the pilots got integrated by RELATIVE seniority. #1 guy in FT was paired with the #1 guy in FEDEX.

It will be ironic if one day SW guys get stapled by AirChina .

Has happened in the past and will happen to someone in the future. I see plenty of 55 year old former Boeing check airmen flying reserve FO schedules and living in crashpads.

Humility, that's my advice to SW fellas.

Yup......

 

[SWA/FO]

Be sure to introduce yourself when you come into our crew room

I've been there several times already. and lived to post here.