AirTran MEC at SWAPA

[S3sundowner]

Ty, I don't see that my comment is assinine, as you say. I asked a question. Is it realistic for ALL aai captains to keep their seats? Like I said, it might happen, but I seriously doubt it. Pitch a fit and hold my breath? OK. But you don't need to be so condescending Ty; I don't think that I was. Like I said, it's easy to hide behind a keyboard and spout off. I hope that GK knows what he is doing here, because if you and others on here are any indication of the types of pilots that swa is bringing on, then GK has just made one big mistake and swa will now be just another flying job. I talk to my buds at swa who know aai guys and they tell me that they are just glad to be coming over. One friend at swa knows SIX aai captains, and they are all just glad that this is happening. ALL of them are expecting to be flying reserve out of Oakland; I take it none of them post on here.

 

[zman]

S3sundowner while most Airtran pilots will agree with you about being excited to work for a company with more friendly labor relations. Most will disagree with you about losing their seats or current seat relative seat position. I think whatever happens unfortunately Southwest Airlines will not be same. I have jumpseated many times on different airlines that have been through mergers and it changes both groups. I know many Southwest airline pilots will talk about pay, but that isnt the whole piece of the pie. Like I have said in previous posts, for some its about base, days off, being able to bid holidays off, etc. Whatever happens I believe that this isnt going to be the same Southwest that most of you know. You cannot piss off a large number pilots and expect them to be ok with it and that goes for BOTH sides. Thats simply why Southwest airlines will not be same. As for how will the list will work out in the end, who knows. Both sides can put both their opinions on this forum and back it up in their eyes. I just hope that it will not tear this new airline apart.

 

[Cometman]

S3sundowner while most Airtran pilots will agree with you about being excited to work for a company with more friendly labor relations. Most will disagree with you about losing their seats or current seat relative seat position. I think whatever happens unfortunately Southwest Airlines will not be same. I have jumpseated many times on different airlines that have been through mergers and it changes both groups. I know many Southwest airline pilots will talk about pay, but that isnt the whole piece of the pie. Like I have said in previous posts, for some its about base, days off, being able to bid holidays off, etc. Whatever happens I believe that this isnt going to be the same Southwest that most of you know. You cannot piss off a large number pilots and expect them to be ok with it and that goes for BOTH sides. Thats simply why Southwest airlines will not be same. As for how will the list will work out in the end, who knows. Both sides can put both their opinions on this forum and back it up in their eyes. I just hope that it will not tear this new airline apart.

You are correct. SWA will never be the same. It is a shame that a small airline with 1700 pilots will ruin a large airline with 6000 pilots. Hopefully the 6000 will be the happy ones and the 1700 will be happy to be there. They should get what they deserve and that isn't much.

 

[zman]

You are correct. SWA will never be the same. It is a shame that a small airline with 1700 pilots will ruin a large airline with 6000 pilots. Hopefully the 6000 will be the happy ones and the 1700 will be happy to be there. They should get what they deserve and that isn't much.

See comet and thats exactly what I am talking about this is why Southwest airlines will change. Different attitudes on both sides sharing the same cockpits is going to really suck working at this new airline for a long time to come.

 

[S3sundowner]

Zman, I hereby propose a permanent fence around atl. New swapa cba to include "wholly owned subsidiary". Growth metrics apply to both sides. That way GK can operate his "alter ego" airline out of atl connecting with swa, set up to run like domestic codeshare. You guys keep your pay and base, then everyone will be happy.

 

[SWA/FO]

Zman, I hereby propose a permanent fence around atl. New swapa cba to include "wholly owned subsidiary". Growth metrics apply to both sides. That way GK can operate his "alter ego" airline out of atl connecting with swa, set up to run like domestic codeshare. You guys keep your pay and base, then everyone will be happy.

No, that wont work, they want MORE and MORE.

 

[Kharma Police]

No, that wont work, they want MORE and MORE.

Put a fence in ATL as tall as Mt. Everest if you want, you will only shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[Kharma Police]

You guys notice how the most vocal divisive posters on this subject "claim" to not work for Southwest?

 

[texman]

Dude, no alter egos and b scale at SWA. I think we all know the history on this issue.

 

[RNP.15]

I don't work for SWA. If you screw AAI good luck.

 

[27 driver]

Dude, no alter egos and b scale at SWA. I think we all know the history on this issue.

I have to agree. In the long run that won't be good for either group. I think the posturing on here is funny though.

 

[Lonestar]

Lonestar,

I thought you were one of the more reasonable people on this forum. The Transition Agreement is important to both Pilot Groups. I have no idea why my post pushed you over the edge. Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning?

AAI Pilots have a Contract. SWA Pilots have a contract. Until we (AAI Pilots) are part of your contract, our contract needs to be respected. I'm not sure why you chose to take umbrage with this, it would seem to be pretty self-evident. What do you think we would be working under in the interim? Your union understands it. SWA management understands it, you seem to be the one person that doesn't understand it.

Ty, I understand the theory of a transition agreement, and I certainly understand OUR need for one considering the number of sections SWA must get around from our contract to make this acquisition happen.

Nothing pushed me over the edge, but I do think its laughable that you think SWA and SWAPA need to negotiate a transition around points of your new contract. A contract you would never have were it not for this acquisition! In fact, were it not for this acquisition you would have nothing more than a crappy old contract and a big NO from the NMB had you asked for release from mediation.

 

[RNP.15]

Like I said screw AAI good luck. What comes around goes around.

 

[malibuVride]

I understand the importance of a Transition Agreement for both groups.
There's plenty to be concerned about with the team representing the AT pilots though. First, TO explains repeatedly that there is no such team; that the NC will do all the transition talks. Then LH announces there will be a team...and he's the boss. This is another reason to worry about the amount of time LH spends with SWAPA.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

RNP.15

Bring it on. Screw SWAPA boys and you got a fight