AirTran, are you now ready to consider ALPA?

Kharma Police

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I feel that the company is obviously going to try to get the NMB to release us. Do you think the NPA has the ability and more importantly the resources to handle a possible strike? If we do go on strike what kind of strike benefits will the NPA provide?

I know many of you have understandably strong feelings against ALPA, but I want you to consider (like I have) how things were at your former ALPA carrier to the current state of the NPA. We can't get a grievance settled in under two years. We have leaders calling the cops to settle a little office cat fight. While the NPA is worried about fostering “good will”, the company laughs at us while they use our contract for toilet paper. I feel, if your back is put against the wall (a'la Rich M) you are on your own.

It's time to get a team of professionals (that don’t fly airplanes) that know and understand what we are up against, some national oversight to keep on eye on what our dues money is being used for and a return of our hostage and furloughed pilots.
 

j41driver

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I'd certainly consider any alternative at to the NPA at this point.
 

easydoesit

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Yeah we'll see how that will work out for you in ten years.

Right now I would rather have no union at all than have the NPA. It is a pitiful waste of my money. The NPA tries to play "this little piggy went to market" while the rest of us want to stand up for ourselves and our career.

We need a backbone and until that happens we will continue to get beatings.
 

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Yeah it was 20-26 months at my previous carrier for a grievance and that was ALPA..??

Say you vote ALPA in--who will run for local office? The same group of people !! Lets look at John Prater, he has really stuck it to the airlines, even CAL???? Ask the CAL guys???
 

Ty Webb

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The NPA has run its course. It's time to take this to the next level.

The guys that are the most against ALPA (well, the second "most against ALPA" ) are the guys that got hosed during a merger (TWA).

Well, the way we're going, we're not going to make it to the merger, so pick your poison.

Ty
 

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It's time.

Ask yourself who the company would vote for, if they had a vote? I've been ALPA and it would be an improvement. That said, this pilot group still must grow a sac!


(AT club 169)
 

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It is time for a change. Alpa, teamsters, anyone..... I will vote for anyone at this point. I hope that ALPA would would be the best choice since it would piss off the scabs.
 

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If the company does ask to be released and the NMB says yes - then what can the company do as far as our current contract? Do they get to impose whatever they want?
 

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The guys that are the most against ALPA (well, the second "most against ALPA" ) are the guys that got hosed during a merger (TWA).

Ty
Though I wasn't TWA, I was AWA and I know what its like being ALPA's red-headed step child and I can tell you I would rather go into a merger without a union than with ALPA again. If whats best for Praters pocket is not whats best for you then you WILL get the shaft. Go to teamsters or somebody that will give you a fighting chance in a merger with these pilot groups that really believe they are the gods of aviation...
 

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I've been an ALPA pilot.
I've been a Teamster pilot.
I've been an independent union pilot.
I've been a pilot with no representation at all.

The only things that makes a difference are the resolve of the pilot group and its local leadership.

God and all his angels can't effect change without the undivided unity of the membership. Membership loyalty, resolve and committment are the only currency worth a cent at the bargaining table. ALPA, IBT and independent unions can't do it without the membership.

It's been said before and it's so true: Hang together or get hanged separately.

Some of the comments on FI indicate that pilots are their own worst enemy. Divided we fall.

Mooneymite
 

OurMoney1

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Fools amongst us.....

What a fool.....wanna play 52 pick-up?

As if ALPA will be able to change your destiny.

ALPA is not the answer, Prater is another phony, dont get sucked in believing they will deliver.

Bottom line; same whore/different dress.

Go it alone, and come out stronger in the end. Questions?? Just ask an Airways/Cactus driver what ALPA has done for them.
 

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If the company does ask to be released and the NMB says yes - then what can the company do as far as our current contract? Do they get to impose whatever they want?
If the Mediator says yes, then we (Management and the pilots) are released into a 30 day cooling off period. You can still negotiate during this, but I doubt the company would do much.

At the end of the 30 days, management is free to impose its last offer which, currently, is T.A. 2. Nothing else that I'm aware of has actually be put on the table as an "offered contract".

However, if Management takes the position that the concessionary package the NPA BoD rightfully voted down is their last offer, and the NMB agrees, then the company can impose the concessionary offer.

The pilots, during that cooling off period, would have to take a strike vote IF they wanted to engage in self-help at the end of the 30-day cooling off period, and would be free to strike when management imposes the last contract offer. The NPA BoD would have to approve a strike vote and the strike vote would have to pass by a majority.

The furloughed pilots would be able to vote on it, and I think we know how many would probably vote YES to a strike. Add that to everyone else who is hopping mad right now, and you might have a successful strike vote.

I don't know the status of SPC preparedness at the moment, or how the last Wilson Polling data went in regards to strike vote authorization. We also don't know IF that is the company's plan this week OR if the mediator is in the frame of mind to allow it. All we know is the company formally requested a one-day meeting which, arguably, only has one interpretation right now.

Methinks the company is betting on the poor performance the past two quarters and the furloughs to scare people, along with the discord in the union and believes there will be a lack of ability to lead a successful strike. I think they're wrong, just as they were on T.A.'s 1 and 2, and I also believe that, with oil down and revenue up, that the rest of the year will be better, and that management wants to do this before things turn for positive financially, but the company seems to have their own ideas about reality.
 

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Bottom line...when your elected reps go to talk to management, they look over the shoulders of your reps to see how many pilots are standing behind them...if they don't see a large number of pilots...then they just laugh at your reps for even wasting their time.

think a new set of wings on your lapel and an expensive magazine subscription will help?

Sounds to me like the rank and file is at fault here...sure, maybe a vocal few want more form thier union...but the sad reality is...the vast majority are too scared ( or don't care enough) to stand up against the management.

ALPA won't cure that....seen any examples of John Prater's "Taking it BacK" campaign yet?
 

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I don't know about Prater...what about Wallach at UAL...were not taking their ******************** and it's gonna get even more fun! Go visit Glenns website and take a look at the banner we flew. Hey Glenn and Pete...F. UCK YOU
 
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