AirTran Advice

[Yank McCobb]

Yeah, Air Tran LOVES those guys coming from 1900s and the like. Those that never worked anywhere decent. Those that are used to being shat upon. Those that think getting hired there is dying and going to heaven. THAT'S why they have that 500 hr 121 PIC requirement. So they can get the B-1900 Captains that will take whatever is dished out to them and eat it with a smile on their face.

And they are eating that s**t sandwich on a daily basis, I'm sure.

 

[cart]

Command

Capt. Shy, in realestate it's location, location, location. IMHO, finding a good 121 gig is a no-brainer---turbine COMMAND. A shrouded vs unshrouded prop makes no difference. Enjoy the stimulator. BZ!

 

[75M]

Yeah, Air Tran LOVES those guys coming from 1900s and the like. Those that never worked anywhere decent. Those that are used to being shat upon. Those that think getting hired there is dying and going to heaven. THAT'S why they have that 500 hr 121 PIC requirement. So they can get the B-1900 Captains that will take whatever is dished out to them and eat it with a smile on their face.

And they are eating that s**t sandwich on a daily basis, I'm sure.

I came from another major and I think the working conditions at AirTran are pretty good. In comparison, we get shat upon much less than we did at AA.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, what do you expect from the cobb yanker, anyway . . . . he's this month's Village Idiot. The last in a long line of idiots that love to talk trash about carriers they know nothing about. I'm sure that he was posting here or elsewhere a few years ago about what a terrible place SWA was, too.

Fact is, Cobb yanker, if we had something so awful going on here, we wouldn't be hiring all these former Legacy guys, who would certainly be disgruntled if they found AirTran to be so much different than where they came from. I have been a Capt. for a short six months, but out of all the FO's I have flown with, they have pretty much all been former milspec AND former AA, or TWA, or USAirways, or UAL, so your big theory about hiring only regional guys who don't know better is right up there with "the sky is falling" and "the Earth is flat".

Why don;t you do us ALL a big favor, and stick to topics you know something about, like "suffering from feelings of inadequacy" and "self-loating and deprecation". . . . oh, and I guess we could include "self-flagellation", as well.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Well, Mr. 135 Westwind driver (who makes my point for me...another of those who came from some scumbag 135 outfit that is used to being shat upon, so you think Air Tran is some sort of utopia), I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. And I had the good sense and good fortune to get out of there.

So don't presume to tell me what I do or don't know. Facts are facts. Air Tran is made for people like you. Enjoy your high and mighty feeling while you ride around with "former AA, TWA, USAirways and UAL pilots" who are there simply because they needed a job and took what they could get. Not because they wanted to but because they HAD to.

Why would I post about what a terrible place SWA is when I feel blessed to be flying for such a fine company instead of one that treats it's pilots like crap, but they are so used to it they don't know any better?

Enjoy your fine company. It's the best your type can ever hope for.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, Mr. 135 Westwind driver (who makes my point for me...another of those who came from some scumbag 135 outfit that is used to being shat upon, so you think Air Tran is some sort of utopia)

Actually, I flew for a great company that treated me quite well, thank you.

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. And I had the good sense and good fortune to get out of there.

Then you don't know anything about AirTran today. . . . but pray tell what sort of an airline employs a consummate aviator and airline connosieur such as yourself.

Facts are facts. Air Tran is made for people like you.

You haven't listed any facts; only opinions, and rather bizarro ones at that.

Enjoy your high and mighty feeling while you ride around with "former AA, TWA, USAirways and UAL pilots" who are there simply because they needed a job and took what they could get. Not because they wanted to but because they HAD to.

"High and mighty"? How about just plain happy . . . . something you obviously don't know much about. As for my new co-workers, they can speak for themselves, they sure didn't elect a clown like yourself as their spokesman.

Why would I post about what a terrible place SWA is when I feel blessed to be flying for such a fine company instead of one that treats it's pilots like crap, but they are so used to it they don't know any better?

Oh, here we go again . . . T-Bags/Joe Peeonotz/snake/whatever. . . . there is no way SWA ever employed such an unhappy piece of crap as yourself . . . someone that spends half their life on a message board slamming AirTran pilots? Check into your company EAP . . . apparently, you are a very unhappy little man; maybe they can help you . . . . because you need it.

 

[FLB717]

Yank,

If you are at SWA and a Captain you have been at SWA more than 5 or 7 years. 7 years ago I would have left AirTran also. But times and contracts have changed. The on the finacial edge has retreated for the most part (no one but SAW is safe for now) and conditions and the out look has turned around into a great place to be. be happy you are at SWA and go have a tonic to calm your nerves. But stop being an A$$hole, get over it.

 

[UAL-GSO]

I speak for no one but myself. FWIW, having seen this industry from from the perspective of the "regionals", the "majors", and the "LCC's", I am pretty impressed with the way Airtran is run. I'll bet the other 5,000 - 6,000 guys/gals with resumes on file here would agree.

Be nice to each other.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Yeah, Air Tran LOVES those guys coming from 1900s and the like. Those that never worked anywhere decent. Those that are used to being shat upon. Those that think getting hired there is dying and going to heaven. THAT'S why they have that 500 hr 121 PIC requirement. So they can get the B-1900 Captains that will take whatever is dished out to them and eat it with a smile on their face.

And they are eating that s**t sandwich on a daily basis, I'm sure.

Well so much for the interview process at SWA weeding out ALL of the bitter self righteous God's gift to aviation tools that apply.

 

[-9Capt]

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. And I had the good sense and good fortune to get out of there..

Based on your past experience here, I can see where you're coming from. The fact of the matter is, you wouldn't even recognize this place today.

I was around back then and was trying to get out, just like you did. Times have changed, for the better.

 

[Yank McCobb]

As far as SWA "weeding out ALL of the bitter self righteous God's gift to aviation tools", you have no clue at all about me or who I am.

I was simply proving a point to a buddy. That the Air Tran pilots on here are WAY too sensitive, too defensive and most of all, too easy to mess with. You guys need to lighten up. I just throw out a little bait and man, the usuals take it hook, line and sinker. Then the few Air Tran pilots that aren't spring loaded take it for what is is, smile and move on. I have a feeling most of the pilots there are the latter. But the same handful of Air Tran pilots that give the company the reputation it has on this board, well...I guess you are what you are for whatever the reason.

What is it about that place that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck, causes you do dig in your heels, and fire back with your defensive retorts? This is just an anonymous message board where, you would think, everyone knows that the majority of the posters are just having a little fun.

Yes, I did leave several years ago when things were probably a lot different than they are now. They sure couldn't be any worse. But from what I can tell, they still seem to favor regional Captains..."not that there's anything wrong with that". It's just that my take on that is that coming from a regional, especially one operating 19 seat turboprops, most pilots WOULD think they had died and gone to airline heaven. And therefore would be more easily manipulated. That is just simple human nature. If I were an airline manager, I would do the same thing.

So lighten up a bit. It's just an anonymous message board...

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Capt. Shy, in realestate it's location, location, location. IMHO, finding a good 121 gig is a no-brainer---turbine COMMAND. A shrouded vs unshrouded prop makes no difference. Enjoy the stimulator. BZ!

Thanks Cart,

I haven't yet broken a sweat in the sim, and we're running way ahead of schedule. I did almost make in my pants when we did unusual attitudes and I opened my eyes to see all brown as we blew past 70 degrees on the ADI in an inverted dive. I pulled all the way through and ended up 700' AGL with the radar altimiter, GPWS, overspeed, and even a shake or two of the stickshaker in the (I'm assuming) high-g maneuver to recover. That was fun, but scary. When I looked out as the horizon came into view, we were pointed straight, but were going down very fast still. *whew*

I just can't wait to have this stuff over with. Tomorrow we start with the V1 cuts and other emergencies. Keeping my nose in the books, and getting a little fatigued from the 30-straight days of training here so far. Oh well, the sooner I finish, the better.

Thanks again for everyone's opinion on the topic. I took it, now wish me luck!

Shy

 

[737sluggo]

Yank, Yank, Yank ....Your flight time preceeds your intelligence! Where do you fly now? With your time, I hope that it's somewhere that you can retire at. Most of us would like to encourage those who are still coming up in the industry; then there are guys like yourself!
All things considered, there are few companies, right now, that a pilot can project a future with. Sounds like your with SWA and good for ya'! If that's where you are then I think that your future is pretty secure for the time being; come to think of it, that's what some guys at TWA, Pan Am, Western, Brannif, US Air, etc... thought. Enjoy the ride my friend, because you never know how long it's going to last! Some of the people that you deride may be on the decision board at your next prospective employer!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

I was simply proving a point to a buddy. That the Air Tran pilots on here are WAY too sensitive, too defensive and most of all, too easy to mess with. You guys need to lighten up. . . Then the few Air Tran pilots that aren't spring loaded take it for what is is, smile and move on...

Hey, sounds like when I made a comment about some SWA guys cutting off other pilots on the ramp . . . . probably 20 different responses, and I didn't even have to resort to insults to draw them out. Imagine the results I would get if I pulled your crap.

I don't know too many SWA Captains who would spend time making posts on a message board "to show a buddy that some other airline's pilots are too sensitive", which means you're either fecally impacted (F.O.S.) or must be the biggest loser on the SWA seniority list. Congratulations, what an honor.

 

[Snake]

My Signature says it all.