AirTran 737 Captains voting "NO"

[Sacha]

Listen to Fudgepacker, the Alaska B-scale God King of ALPA. His steel nuts got him a 20% pay cut, a B-scale and codeshare. Bravo!!!

What a Gomer......

 

[flynvixen]

Exactly. That's why that whole "Hired, not acquired" argument is pure BS. Personally, I think the AAI guys would have been better served to torpedo this whole AIP sideshow and let the arbitrator decide.

Frankly, I believe in straight DoH in any merger, but look what the AWA guys accomplished by going for binding arbitration. They IMPROVED their seniority significantly by presenting a cogent argument to the arbitrator.

The Pickleballers went in and screamed "DOH" like a bunch of spoiled brats and look where it got them.

The SWA boys would have gone in and screamed "Hired, not acquired" and would have lost equally badly.

However, it looks like the majority of the AAI pilots are reacting to the God King putting a gun to their heads and will vote for this abortion.

Just an opinon, but a little steel in your sack at this point would probably pay huge dividends in the end.

No....it would have ended in two company's never being integrated and a bunch of JV pilots being put on the street. You can play the ALPA game all day long, be ALPA met its match in dealing with this company. ALPA is not driving this deal and it burned them up and I hope they do vote it down. This is not a typical airline deal and BM means nothing if the company's are not brought together......you ALPA koolaid drinkers never learn...look what a great job ALPA did for United

 

[tankerhead]

Dude, I can completely understand and even happily agree with your hate and disdain for all things ALPA, but the JV comments are undermining any credibility you might otherwise have. There are folks over here that have resumes that would undoubtedly put yours to shame. You really need to find a way to continue hating ALPA while not trashing and spewing vitriol about a mostly good group of guys and gals. You're clearly making yourself miserable.

Carry on.

 

[JT12345]

Exactly. That's why that whole "Hired, not acquired" argument is pure BS. Personally, I think the AAI guys would have been better served to torpedo this whole AIP sideshow and let the arbitrator decide.

Frankly, I believe in straight DoH in any merger, but look what the AWA guys accomplished by going for binding arbitration. They IMPROVED their seniority significantly by presenting a cogent argument to the arbitrator.

The Pickleballers went in and screamed "DOH" like a bunch of spoiled brats and look where it got them.

The SWA boys would have gone in and screamed "Hired, not acquired" and would have lost equally badly.

However, it looks like the majority of the AAI pilots are reacting to the God King putting a gun to their heads and will vote for this abortion.

Just an opinon, but a little steel in your sack at this point would probably pay huge dividends in the end.

Some of guys may not vote. It is not democratic when you have a gun to your head, so why bother. That is a dictatorship. There may be a low turn out. That will benefit the Yes vote.

 

[jhill]

Well Sacha, looks like WN has a B scale now too. Do you support that?

Don't think that's not something we worried about. That's why it has an experation date.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Dude, I can completely understand and even happily agree with your hate and disdain for all things ALPA, but the JV comments are undermining any credibility you might otherwise have. There are folks over here that have resumes that would undoubtedly put yours to shame. You really need to find a way to continue hating ALPA while not trashing and spewing vitriol about a mostly good group of guys and gals. You're clearly making yourself miserable.

Carry on.

Just ignore him. There's our small group of vocal pilots who are voting no, and think that if they shout loud enough and often enough, that they might change people's minds. As if that ever happens. Like most of the people who are a little less emotional, I predict passage by 70-80% on both sides. Then we can actually put this behind us and work together... you know, rag on Fubijaakr together, instead of from opposite sides of the fence.

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here. Show's over.

Bubba

 

[carl p]

Agreed Bubba, there are goobers on both sides.

 

[bendover]

flyinvixin's post need to be forwarded to swa mgmt and he needs to be revealed for who he is so everyone on the swa seniority list can move up one number. HE needs to go. he is polluting the swa culture.

 

[Fubijaakr]

he is polluting the swa culture.

Are you kidding? He's the poster boy for SWA "culture."

 

[Mamma]

flyinvixin's post need to be forwarded to swa mgmt and he needs to be revealed for who he is so everyone on the swa seniority list can move up one number. HE needs to go. he is polluting the swa culture.

Vixin is a "she" and most likely a "quota" hire at that. That sense of entitlement with little accomplishment is apparent. Can usually spot them a mile away.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Agreed. What guy would choose a screen name like vixin?

 

[Mamma]

Agreed. What guy would choose a screen name like vixin?

What guy would choose "Mamma?" My loafers are pretty heavy though.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Are you kidding? He's the poster boy for SWA "culture."

Hey! There's another of those "blanket statements" you swore you hated. Surely, it must have been a minor oversight on your part. I'm almost certain that what you meant was, "that guy is a single, abberant example of the SWA cullture, which doesn't reflect on the SWA pilot group as a whole."

That's what you meant, right? By the way, no need to thank me; just looking out for you. That'sthe kinda' guy I am.

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

Cool, Bubba. However, considering the trash most of your Canyon blue buddies spewed here, Sacka is an extreme example, but an example nonetheless.

 

[DonVerita]

You should have taken the first offer, with a smile .....but noooooo ALPA says we can screw the SWAPA guys more

Yet another blatently false statement from the master Hater on this board.

Just like in one of your earlier posts where you stated that most AAI guys had apps on file at SWA, you are full of crap. A handful did...mostly junior F/O's with little seniority. Some had put in apps many years ago back when they were at some Regional, but never updated or removed the app once they made it to a Major (AAI). So I'm sure you are using that skewed data as well to bolster your arrogant posture.

As for ALPA, they never said anything about "screw the SWAPA guys more". But you made that defamatory statement, so prove it. Go ahead, prove to all of us that ALPA said that. That is just more of your factless incendiary babbling that you use to stir the pot. ALPA wants fair and equitable. SWAPA wants to steal seniority and CA seats.

 

[slaquer5]

Yet another blatently false statement from the master Hater on this board.

Just like in one of your earlier posts where you stated that most AAI guys had apps on file at SWA, you are full of crap. A handful did...mostly junior F/O's with little seniority. Some had put in apps many years ago back when they were at some Regional, but never updated or removed the app once they made it to a Major (AAI). So I'm sure you are using that skewed data as well to bolster your arrogant posture.

As for ALPA, they never said anything about "screw the SWAPA guys more". But you made that defamatory statement, so prove it. Go ahead, prove to all of us that ALPA said that. That is just more of your factless incendiary babbling that you use to stir the pot. ALPA wants fair and equitable. SWAPA wants to steal seniority and CA seats.

So how did you vote Don?


Is this going to pass on the AT side ?

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Yep, it will pass the AT side. By 75%+

 

[DonVerita]

So how did you vote Don?


Is this going to pass on the AT side ?

Voted NO.

But it will pass...because for many people, having a gun put to their head in the form of a threat (real or implied), is not a risk they are willing to take. The moment that happened, "negotiation" turned into "extortion".

 

[GuppyWN]

Don,

At least you're consistent! Hope someday you change your tune.

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

But it will pass...because for many people, having a gun put to their head in the form of a threat (real or implied), is not a risk they are willing to take. The moment that happened, "negotiation" turned into "extortion".

There you have it.