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starchkr
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The FAC has never meant anything to management. It never will. It was only set up so that management could hear the gripes of the pilots and then decide whether they wanted to allow any changes suggested by those pilots. So far,since i have been here, the FAC has been helpful in a few situations, but mostly their ideas were denied or put on the back burner. Anymore, the FAC is just a medium for the management to screw the pilots and then blame it on those same FAC members. Management no longer cares about the FAC, and things are now being put into place without any discussion with the FAC.
Sorry to help hijack the original thread....
It is still a good place to work.
The FAC has never meant anything to management. It never will. It was only set up so that management could hear the gripes of the pilots and then decide whether they wanted to allow any changes suggested by those pilots. So far,since i have been here, the FAC has been helpful in a few situations, but mostly their ideas were denied or put on the back burner. Anymore, the FAC is just a medium for the management to screw the pilots and then blame it on those same FAC members. Management no longer cares about the FAC, and things are now being put into place without any discussion with the FAC.
Sorry to help hijack the original thread....
It is still a good place to work.
$$$4nothin
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Training
Two things,
1. Any advice on aceing training.
2. I dont care what mang. does about anything because it will be a whole lot better than sitting in the right seat of a C-152 saying show me a steep turn. Or even in the right seat of a seneca saying demonstrate trying to kill me by VMCing this thing
Two things,
1. Any advice on aceing training.
2. I dont care what mang. does about anything because it will be a whole lot better than sitting in the right seat of a C-152 saying show me a steep turn. Or even in the right seat of a seneca saying demonstrate trying to kill me by VMCing this thing
$$$4nothin
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See your point
I see your point. Ya my opinion will probably be different in a year or so also. You know what though, if you don't like whats going on go somewhere else. Oh thats right, the industry sucks, and no one else is hireing. So quit and there are 1000 more people that can take your place. I do however see your point, and see why new guys like me who are still excited about getting paid to fly piss you off. Another question for ya. Why did you start flying. Was it so you could get a nice high paying perfect job, or was it because you had a love for flying. Ya thats what i thought. A love for flying.. Well now now someone is paying you to fly. Think about that. Thousands of people have died just for the thrill, and you are getting payed for it.. How bad can it really be.
I see your point. Ya my opinion will probably be different in a year or so also. You know what though, if you don't like whats going on go somewhere else. Oh thats right, the industry sucks, and no one else is hireing. So quit and there are 1000 more people that can take your place. I do however see your point, and see why new guys like me who are still excited about getting paid to fly piss you off. Another question for ya. Why did you start flying. Was it so you could get a nice high paying perfect job, or was it because you had a love for flying. Ya thats what i thought. A love for flying.. Well now now someone is paying you to fly. Think about that. Thousands of people have died just for the thrill, and you are getting payed for it.. How bad can it really be.
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I guess that depends on if you can live like Peter Pan, just flying when and how you like, purely for the love of flying, or if you have to live in the real world with real responsibilities, with bills to pay and family and friends to support and enjoy.
Only broadcasting and acting even approach the lack of respect and insulting money that aviation offers.
. In all honesty it's not a bad place to work, or, at least it didn't used to be a bad place to work. 
Magneto
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Re: See your point
Your reply simply demonstrates your immaturity and naivety. I got into flying because I love to fly and I wanted to have a well paying career, the two are not mutually exclusive. It's hard to obtain a well paying career with fools like you that will work for peanuts because you're just happy to be in the air. It's clear that you have no financial obligations that bring the matter of money into true prospective.
I didn't realize it was a requirement that you had to hate your job in order to get paid well. You should pay heed to the other posters that responded to your childish comments. Your attitude will get you no where in this profession. Your attitude is not welcome here or among any other pilot group. I suggest you have a change of heart and realize that your skills are honorable and as such you should be fairly compensated for them.
$$$4nothin said:
Your reply simply demonstrates your immaturity and naivety. I got into flying because I love to fly and I wanted to have a well paying career, the two are not mutually exclusive. It's hard to obtain a well paying career with fools like you that will work for peanuts because you're just happy to be in the air. It's clear that you have no financial obligations that bring the matter of money into true prospective.
I didn't realize it was a requirement that you had to hate your job in order to get paid well. You should pay heed to the other posters that responded to your childish comments. Your attitude will get you no where in this profession. Your attitude is not welcome here or among any other pilot group. I suggest you have a change of heart and realize that your skills are honorable and as such you should be fairly compensated for them.
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Love of flying and pay
Im sure that everyone here got a job flying because they love flying and do not want to get a "real job" or "grow up" or whatever. Anyways when the rent,cable, car payment, whatever bill is due you cant just pay it with "love of flying" you need money. Pilots are professionals and we should get paid accordingly. The bad thing is that we don't get paid as professionals. Can anyone off the streets just go and get a flying job, no just like we can't walk into a hospital and become a doctor. We had to undergo years of training and spend lots of money to get the right to be hired by someone. As professionals we should demand professional wages, and in the end that is what we are working for. No one wants to retire from Airnet, ACA, Colgan, COex whatever, we all want to make it to the mainlines and make the money because that is where we finally get paid as professionals (even though that even looks iffy in the future). What can we all do about the pay though. Sure it is easy getting on the computer and complaining and yelling at new guys but thats not gonna solve anything. Maybe we need something like was said earlier with the all out strike...have everyone call in sick all the airline pilots, commuters, frieght dogs, and even the cfi's let there be no flying at all for a day until people realize that we are professionals and that we deserve to get paid as such. Although I know this would never happen and I really doubt that Joe Public would even care. Until then maybe we should not yell at this guy but give him advice and try to change his mind before his class date. I agree that the attitude he has right now is not good for the industry, but lets face it most of us probably had that attitude at first, until we learned better. So instead of just getting in a pointless argument try to shape him now. The best way I think to look at this is that we make a lot of sacrafices, days away from home, endless duty days, hours of high noise vibration, responsible for 100s of lives a day, etc. We deal with all of that stuff and we should get fairly compensated, back in the day that was done with money, now it really isnt done at all. Thats the way to look at this industry. But once again heres the question how do we change it? We have to raise the bar, and hopefully Mesaba is on the way to helping us all out. Ok well thats enough ranting for one night.
Im sure that everyone here got a job flying because they love flying and do not want to get a "real job" or "grow up" or whatever. Anyways when the rent,cable, car payment, whatever bill is due you cant just pay it with "love of flying" you need money. Pilots are professionals and we should get paid accordingly. The bad thing is that we don't get paid as professionals. Can anyone off the streets just go and get a flying job, no just like we can't walk into a hospital and become a doctor. We had to undergo years of training and spend lots of money to get the right to be hired by someone. As professionals we should demand professional wages, and in the end that is what we are working for. No one wants to retire from Airnet, ACA, Colgan, COex whatever, we all want to make it to the mainlines and make the money because that is where we finally get paid as professionals (even though that even looks iffy in the future). What can we all do about the pay though. Sure it is easy getting on the computer and complaining and yelling at new guys but thats not gonna solve anything. Maybe we need something like was said earlier with the all out strike...have everyone call in sick all the airline pilots, commuters, frieght dogs, and even the cfi's let there be no flying at all for a day until people realize that we are professionals and that we deserve to get paid as such. Although I know this would never happen and I really doubt that Joe Public would even care. Until then maybe we should not yell at this guy but give him advice and try to change his mind before his class date. I agree that the attitude he has right now is not good for the industry, but lets face it most of us probably had that attitude at first, until we learned better. So instead of just getting in a pointless argument try to shape him now. The best way I think to look at this is that we make a lot of sacrafices, days away from home, endless duty days, hours of high noise vibration, responsible for 100s of lives a day, etc. We deal with all of that stuff and we should get fairly compensated, back in the day that was done with money, now it really isnt done at all. Thats the way to look at this industry. But once again heres the question how do we change it? We have to raise the bar, and hopefully Mesaba is on the way to helping us all out. Ok well thats enough ranting for one night.
starchkr
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$$$4nothin...
While i feel the same as many here have written, i will not repeat it all over again. As far as the comment about the industry not hiring, you could not be more wrong. There are many regionals hiring right now, with some of the majors set to start in about a month or two. So why have you not tried them? Why bring that attitude of not caring about your lifestyle here and not go somewhere out west where it is commonplace? We at airnet care about our way of life, which is why we are very upset at happenings here, and we really do not need someone with an "i don't really care what management does" type attitude. Also as far as me not going somewhere else, well i chose airnet as my regional, and there is no way i would ever take a step BACKWARDS to fly for a regional. That and the 50% plus pay cut i would take really would not work. So please, if you must have that attitude, go somewhere else, we need people who are willing to help make some changes, not bend over and take it where the good lord split ya.
While i feel the same as many here have written, i will not repeat it all over again. As far as the comment about the industry not hiring, you could not be more wrong. There are many regionals hiring right now, with some of the majors set to start in about a month or two. So why have you not tried them? Why bring that attitude of not caring about your lifestyle here and not go somewhere out west where it is commonplace? We at airnet care about our way of life, which is why we are very upset at happenings here, and we really do not need someone with an "i don't really care what management does" type attitude. Also as far as me not going somewhere else, well i chose airnet as my regional, and there is no way i would ever take a step BACKWARDS to fly for a regional. That and the 50% plus pay cut i would take really would not work. So please, if you must have that attitude, go somewhere else, we need people who are willing to help make some changes, not bend over and take it where the good lord split ya.
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starchkr said:
Out of curiosity what is meant by that comment? I know several people who fly out west because of quality of life and lifestyle advantages. I hope you were referring to Mesa. There aren't as many companies based out west as there are in the rest of the country, but there sure are a good amount of shady one's out here in the east. Remember SkyWest, Horizon and Alaska are all respectable companies based out west.
I agree with much of what has been said here. One of the things that hurts this industry is pilots who screw their employer. One such example is a guy who I met that was hired by a company with relatively low time (less than 1800) to fly a jet AND they gave him his type. Not more than 3 months later he is trying to move on and use that type to get another job. The pay is very respectable that he is receiving as well. This situation has happened a lot, even at Airnet.
$$$4nothin
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Ok Guys Relax Now
I think I was SERIOUSLY misunderstood here guys. I care very much about my way of life. I also have to pay many bills. Includeing 100k in school loans. No I am not going to let management walk all over me, and I support whatever is best for the pilots in the company. I think my orriginal point was to say that I was excited to work for such a great company. I entitled this thread as pay and ADVICE. So now I got advice. It does seem like everybody hates mang. though. Is that something I should be worried about. I'm sorry about my previous attitude, and I have chaged my thoughts considerably. One more question. Are you all really as unhappy as you sound.
I think I was SERIOUSLY misunderstood here guys. I care very much about my way of life. I also have to pay many bills. Includeing 100k in school loans. No I am not going to let management walk all over me, and I support whatever is best for the pilots in the company. I think my orriginal point was to say that I was excited to work for such a great company. I entitled this thread as pay and ADVICE. So now I got advice. It does seem like everybody hates mang. though. Is that something I should be worried about. I'm sorry about my previous attitude, and I have chaged my thoughts considerably. One more question. Are you all really as unhappy as you sound.
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