Airlines Vs Fractional

[Sam Fisher]

Who the He11 is Express Jet? Another miserable start-up flying Brazilla's some poor passenger gets the displeasure of riding on?

Another mature post. www.expressjet.com ExpressJet Airlines does business as Continental Express, flying 228 jets (with another 46 on order) for Continental Airlines. We have 2500 pilots. Our revenue will be over $1.4 billion and pre-tax net income of well over $140 million. Flights from coast to coast and Canada to Mexico to the Bahamas. Hardly a "miserable start-up flying Brasilia's."

Didn't you just get done giving a lecture to Dash8 about how unions are made up of it's members, and not ALPO? Sounds to me like this was a failure of it's MEC.

Actually, this particular action would rest solely on the attorneys for the Teamsters and not on the individual MEC's NC. Blame could be placed on both parties but the representation department (professional lawyers/negotiators) deserve most of the blame.

Sam

 

[rajflyboy]

Continental Express is the more widely known name!


Good Place to work if your in the left Seat! You guys definately pay your dues in the right seat! How much does your typical 5 year ERJ captain bring home in a year? Thanks!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Good Place to work if your in the left Seat! You guys definately pay your dues in the right seat! How much does your typical 5 year ERJ captain bring home in a year? Thanks!

Well the bulk of our captains are in their 6th-9th year right now, but a 5 year pilot on a contract that is already 15 months past its amendable date makes $58.08/hour. Assuming he flies 1000 hours per year, he'll make $58,000. However, a 5 year guy right now is on reserve and will make less than that and a 7 year guy holding a 90 hour line consistently will make somewhere around $65,000 or so. Our current contract negotiating process is almost over as we are discussing compensation now. I have no idea what we'll be making but I know it won't be less than Comair, which is around 14% ahead of us today and 18% ahead of us in June when Comair gets their next bump.

Sam

 

[rajflyboy]

Thats about the kind of pay I expected >> Not far from what other Regional Captains are making!

Making that kind of Money and having a schedule would be nice >> even better if you live in your Domicile!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Thats about the kind of pay I expected >> Not far from what other Regional Captains are making!

Making that kind of Money and having a schedule would be nice >> even better if you live in your Domicile!

The pay will soon increase.

Average days off in EWR and IAH is around 14.5 and average days off in CLE is aroudn 13.7 these days, according to XJT Crew Planning. This is the lowest its been in 2 years, due to the enormous increase in block hours that we are flying. We will recall/hire several hundred in 2004. 200 in the first quarter alone.

Sam

 

[rajflyboy]

How many of those EMB 145 Extended Range Airplanes do you have? Those are certainly the Wave of the Future in Airline Travel!

 

[Sam Fisher]

How many of those EMB 145 Extended Range Airplanes do you have? Those are certainly the Wave of the Future in Airline Travel!

I'm not 100% sure but I think it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 XR's - the one's with the winglets. Someone else might have the exact answer. We fly those as far as 1350 NM. Block times of 4+ hours aren't uncommon, especially in the winter. I can't say that I enjoy those flights and perhaps some of the passengers don't either, but I can say this: They do wonders for the productivity of our pairings and lines and they also allow someone to fly from EWR to OKC without connecting as well as CLE to SAT, etc. People might not like the plane but when time is money, it sure is nice to have a direct option.

Sam

 

[rajflyboy]

Thats an Awful long time to sit in an airplane >> But that still beets having a layover!

Is the Pay higher on the EX airplanes?

I like the gate check baggage on the RJ's >> no hassle flying!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Thats an Awful long time to sit in an airplane >> But that still beets having a layover!

Is the Pay higher on the EX airplanes?

I like the gate check baggage on the RJ's >> no hassle flying!

No, the pay is the same. Still just 50 seats. We have 37 seat short jets and some pilots are paid less when they fly those.

Sam

 

[rajflyboy]

Even the smallest of RJ's is still more airplane than anything in corporate aviation >> Except maybe a Gulfstream or Global Express! More responsibility too! 50 People instead of a maximum of normally 10 or less!

 

[Lrjet55]

Holy crap you are friggin egotistical moron. Lemme explain sonsing to ju.

You actually think anyone is better because they fly more passengers and that gives them more responsibility? We need to take people like you out back and shoot them.

You fly a friggin regional jet from point A to point B and back every day all day long. A fuggin monkey can do that job. A 300 hour pilot can and does your job.

I am not bragging my job is any more difficult, which it is, but I certainly would'nt open that can of worms junior.

I cannot believe people today still try to make that argument.

Let me give you a small but significant example. Remember after 9-11 there was an American Airlines A-300 crash in Jamaica Queens, NY that killed everyone on board and several on the ground? That was a terrible accident, right?

Remember the Lear 35 that departed Orlando, Florida flew itself to altitude with Payne Stewart onboad finally crashing in a corn field in Nebraska?

Which one is still talked about today. Its sad to say that hardly anyone refers to that A-300 crash anymore. I am discusted that Payne Stewarts life is seemingly more news worthy or made to seem more important than 250 people that died on that airliner. My point is simple, we all have the same amount of responsibility. The even larger fact is this... If we crash our little "10 passenger or less" jet which doesn't require as much responsibility as that LARGE regional jet we could crumble a business or part of the economy. We fly people like George Bush Sr., Warren Buffet, Richard Hollbrook(embassidor to the united nations). Our less responsibility translates to higher profile. Do you think a high profile customer would be happy knowing there was a 300 hour wiz kid up there, I dont either.

 

[rajflyboy]

Dude >>> Its First Grade Math

It has nothing to do with EGO >> Its just a First Grade Math Problem!


Lets see 50-10 = 40

40 = the Amount of additional Responsiblity

Thats 40 more Wives,Husbands,Mothers,Fathers,Kids that will Sue your Company and Your Spouse!


Whats So difficult about that?

Everyone puts their pants on the same way in the morning >> I dont care if it is a CEO >> President of a Country or a Walmart Employee >> Each and every person we carry on an airplane is important and we are responsible for them!

 

[Live4flyng]

Its just a First Grade Math Problem!

Don't forget first grade fares+first grade profits, will always equal first grade pay.

Let's see,

2 PAX @ $16million VS. 50 PAX @ $123.00 a head. Did you finish 1st grade?

I am blown away that you think you have more responsibility than anyone else in avaitaion. We all know that the ERJ is nothing more than a stretched brazilia with jet engines, nothing special about it!

 

[Lrjet55]

Amen, another intelligent response.

 

[Sam Fisher]

We all know that the ERJ is nothing more than a stretched brazilia with jet engines, nothing special about it!

Another intelligent and mature post. Does that also mean that the Cessna Citation is nothing more than a big 310 with jets slapped on? C'mon, grow up. Not only are you wrong, but your posts indicate the maturity level of a baboon. Hopefully you are more of a professional in real life.

Sam

 

[Lrjet55]

He making a childish comparison. One along the line of larger airplane more responsibility.

 

[WileE]

Really raj?

Please. A 121 Captain can barely fart unless it's on the release. That's one of the reasons I left the regional biz. I like being a complete pilot, doing our own flight planning, weather evaluation and decision making for going to new airports all the time. It's fun and challenging. I'm sure a lot of captains at the airlines love having all those decisions taken from them, it's a heck of a lot easier just to check the results to be sure that all the blocks have been checked than to do it themselves. And yes I am well aware that when you have to make a 15 minute turn you obviously don't have time for all that, which is why the flights are so canned and so much resposibility for that stuff lies elsewhere.

By your logic raj, a captain on a cruise ship is so far above the level of even a widebody pilot that he or she should be worshipped as a god.

 

[VivaZapata]

Even the smallest of RJ's is still more airplane than anything in corporate aviation

"still more airplane...." God has spoken! All bow!

There are plenty of corporate airplanes that make RJ's look like a Barbie Fun Jet. I'd like to see you land "corporate" Beech 18 on ice in a crosswind with the cg at the aft limit.

If you're going to be arrogant, at least have something to be arrogant about.

Get over yourself kiddo.

 

[Lrjet55]

Its always been my experience that the poepl screaming bigger plane, more responsibility are the ones who have the least varied experience. If you cam from corporate with several type rating, military, etc the you can respectfully argue the poin many ways. These wiz kids who got hired straight out of a C-172 straight into an RJ or some commuter have zero experience to argue with. Flame is you must but I have experience to back it up.

 

[infoman]

Wow!

I thought this post was about "airlines vs fracts" ? Somehow it has turned into mines bigger , better ,or ??????

Fact .

We are all paid professionals. We sell our services to the company we work for.

Fact .

Most are unoin.

Fact.

Management, market forces, and pilots all play into the finale outcome of the package negotiated.

Fact.

No one flying job fits all. Everyone has thier own likes, and dislikes. This doesn't make one better than the other.

Fact.

Enough facts. It has been a long dry tour, and now I am home wetting the whislte.

To All!
Happy New Year!