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pilot141
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Continuing the "Why being labelled a Major isn't important":
Also on the list of Major airlines: American Eagle.
Although what the OP, Bally, wanted to know was airlines ranked by size and/or profitability. The DOT classifications may be a good start as to size, but not the definitive answer.
I'm sure that Bally is shaking his head wondering how posting such an innocuous question leads to maybe one or two actual informational responses followed by a descent into sniping and second-guessing.
Also on the list of Major airlines: American Eagle.
Although what the OP, Bally, wanted to know was airlines ranked by size and/or profitability. The DOT classifications may be a good start as to size, but not the definitive answer.
I'm sure that Bally is shaking his head wondering how posting such an innocuous question leads to maybe one or two actual informational responses followed by a descent into sniping and second-guessing.
dgs,
Maybe you and your other "Blue Buddies" are the ones that need to relax a little. None of us thought the industry would be in the situation that it is, but I see you and your blue friends continue to brag and flaunt about your earnings, aircraft, dot statistics, growth plan, and job expectations. And as far as majors go, I think comair has you guys beat.
Earnings---Jet Blue uses Proforma
Aircraft --- Airbus-good for you guys, the warranty will run out and they will be just like all the other a/c out there.
Dot Stats---Do you really think passengers care about these
anymore, I think its strictly price per ticket now adays. And anyway, these stats are not always reported accuratly, i.e. I belive SWA has just started to use acars to report their times.
Growth- great for you guys, keep the planes comming, but remember the bigest fear in the aviation industry is a bankrupt airline trying to get cash.
Job Expectations- think about UAL, I think their job expectations have change a little
I really don't care about your airline, and you need to remember that piedmont, air florida, legend, peoples express, valuejet, trump, new york air, and many others were anticipated on being the next big thing to take over the industry. The airline situation today is a fragile one, it only takes another terroist attack, war, bankruptcy or any other random event that could devistate all of the carriers including Jet Blue.
So maybe you and your other co-workers, should be a little more humble and answer questions with dignity instead of continuing to sling mud.
Just relax and remember that things change.
Maybe you and your other "Blue Buddies" are the ones that need to relax a little. None of us thought the industry would be in the situation that it is, but I see you and your blue friends continue to brag and flaunt about your earnings, aircraft, dot statistics, growth plan, and job expectations. And as far as majors go, I think comair has you guys beat.
Earnings---Jet Blue uses Proforma
Aircraft --- Airbus-good for you guys, the warranty will run out and they will be just like all the other a/c out there.
Dot Stats---Do you really think passengers care about these
anymore, I think its strictly price per ticket now adays. And anyway, these stats are not always reported accuratly, i.e. I belive SWA has just started to use acars to report their times.
Growth- great for you guys, keep the planes comming, but remember the bigest fear in the aviation industry is a bankrupt airline trying to get cash.
Job Expectations- think about UAL, I think their job expectations have change a little
I really don't care about your airline, and you need to remember that piedmont, air florida, legend, peoples express, valuejet, trump, new york air, and many others were anticipated on being the next big thing to take over the industry. The airline situation today is a fragile one, it only takes another terroist attack, war, bankruptcy or any other random event that could devistate all of the carriers including Jet Blue.
So maybe you and your other co-workers, should be a little more humble and answer questions with dignity instead of continuing to sling mud.
Just relax and remember that things change.
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Goflyme,
I would agree that we need to be humble. The numbers speak volumes, and adding shrill voices to the debate does nothing to change what is reality. I, for one, do not have any false illusions. This is a tough industry, and we are in the toughest times in the history of commercial aviation.
Most often we are responding to the same old tired litany of criticism regarding our company. We like our company, we like our people. So we feel oligated to respond. Maybe we shouldn't. But there are many who are in dire circumstances who seem to have plenty of time to bash us, and everything we do. Maybe they need some humility, too. God knows we all need more humility.
For everyone who is just trying to make it, good luck. I personally hope that every airline can survive and prosper, and that we can all have time for some friendly debate.
I would agree that we need to be humble. The numbers speak volumes, and adding shrill voices to the debate does nothing to change what is reality. I, for one, do not have any false illusions. This is a tough industry, and we are in the toughest times in the history of commercial aviation.
Most often we are responding to the same old tired litany of criticism regarding our company. We like our company, we like our people. So we feel oligated to respond. Maybe we shouldn't. But there are many who are in dire circumstances who seem to have plenty of time to bash us, and everything we do. Maybe they need some humility, too. God knows we all need more humility.
For everyone who is just trying to make it, good luck. I personally hope that every airline can survive and prosper, and that we can all have time for some friendly debate.
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Don't Worry, Be Happy!
It really shouldn't matter how many airplanes you have, whether you are a major or not, and not even necessarily if your airline is the top profit maker. What matters is if you enjoy your status at your airline, you make a good wage for the work you do, and have a comfortable feeling as far as job security goes. I currently feel good about all these things and I thank God every day that he has blessed me with this. Nothing else is as important as that!
It really shouldn't matter how many airplanes you have, whether you are a major or not, and not even necessarily if your airline is the top profit maker. What matters is if you enjoy your status at your airline, you make a good wage for the work you do, and have a comfortable feeling as far as job security goes. I currently feel good about all these things and I thank God every day that he has blessed me with this. Nothing else is as important as that!
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goflyme -- I apologize if the facts and my enthusiasm for jetBlue offends you. I'm not trying to flaunt anything. The fact is we are hiring and this is primarily an interview message board. Those who read our posts get the opportunity to learn more about the company in this forum.
I make no apologies for trying to set the record straight against those who would spread rumors and lies about our company. I admit that there are a couple of people on this board who irk me because it seems like it is their mission on earth to bash us with lies and cheap shots at every opportunity. It would benefit us all if they departed the fix. However, I value the truth and feel compelled to set the record straight.
I'll take the hit on humility. God knows I'm thankful for this job--I thank him every day. I also have lots of pilot friends who are currently pursuing non-flying careers while they are furloughed or not being hired. My heart and prayers go out to them and everybody in the same situation. I'll try harder to temper my enthusiasm for this job with the reality that some might find it offensive.
I make no apologies for trying to set the record straight against those who would spread rumors and lies about our company. I admit that there are a couple of people on this board who irk me because it seems like it is their mission on earth to bash us with lies and cheap shots at every opportunity. It would benefit us all if they departed the fix. However, I value the truth and feel compelled to set the record straight.
I'll take the hit on humility. God knows I'm thankful for this job--I thank him every day. I also have lots of pilot friends who are currently pursuing non-flying careers while they are furloughed or not being hired. My heart and prayers go out to them and everybody in the same situation. I'll try harder to temper my enthusiasm for this job with the reality that some might find it offensive.
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