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Airline pilot means no control over your life!

av8er2

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Well, actually today I don't think too many want to due to the state of the industry. I wouldn't.

Any way here is the deal:

I have been with one of the larger regional airlines for over 5 years. I upgraded to Capt. ASAP because of the PIC time and $$ (what little there is of the $$).

It blows me away how little control over my life. I was on reserve for almost 2 years which of course I had no control over my schedule, worked all holidays. The company always decides my schedule and it is hard to move days off.

Now I can hold a line, but it is one of those lines where scheduling decides what days I work and what days I have off. This month they did not honor my one request for a certain 2 days off and then they packed it full. A few times this month I am basically gone for 5 days.

And to top it off there is little open time trips to pick from and if there was my schedule is so packed with 4 days I can't move any around.

The airlines don't care about families. This is why I won't be around for too long. So if you new pilots are thinking about an airline career take this into consideration.

It is not that great out here because when you upgrade or switch jobs your control over your life goes down the toilet, and it goes down for many years.

The sad thing is a lot more women are getting into this business. I don't know what your schools are telling you but if a family is important to you or you don't want to be 30+ years old to have kids, you might want to do something else.

I love to fly but I don't like the airlines! This is what it is really like out here and I know it is hard to accept this when you are training and this is all you want to do.

The airlines could be a good place but with this constant battle between management, the union and the pilots the airlines will probably never change.

Good luck to all, we need it.
 

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You wanted control over your life, so you became an airline pilot?

Let's take a look at some of the control players...

Airline management

TSA

Airport police

FAA

ATC

Weather

Flight delays

FAR's

Company policy manual

121/135 manual

Union rules

Everybody with more seniority than you has control over some aspect of your life

Anybody with less seniority has you in their sights for a quick move up if they can get you canned

Control? All you can control is your urge to jump back and kiss yourself!
 
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pilotyip

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Do you think pilots are the only employees that have limited control over their lives? What job would give all the control you want over your life, SchoolTeacher, Nurse, CPA, what job? It comes with the territory and is better QOL than many of us saw during military days.
 

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You guys are just right for the airlines, you will let everyone walk all over you and expect little for your very professional and high skills.

If I wanted to be treated like crap, I would not of spent all this time and money to get here.

My point is that when I was training I thought this was a great industry and life would be very good.

It has turned out to be just the opposite and I wanted people to know that.

Yes I am jealous of my friend who is a school teacher. He makes as much money as me, lives in a small town and he is home every night with his kids. He doesn't miss any of his kids games.

My friends who have sales jobs have much more control over their lives and make more $$.

Money is not everything, but family and time is. The airlines have lost it all.
 

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So what career do you suggest that would give you control over your life? Sorry, not many come to the top of my head. I'd say this job gives me more control over my life than most. Welcome to Corporate America! I'm actually pretty impressed how much our management does care; both at this company and my previous one.

I think reality is setting in for the folks who thought the airlines would all be weekends off, work 12 days a month, get paid $200K a year to do it! At the majors by 25! Seeing as we've had many of these threads pop up lately.

None of my friends--pilots or not--have any control over their lives. Yeah, some have holidays off, but they also bring their work home with them every night. Plus, if you think the degradation of pay and benefits (and pensions) is only happening at the airlines, think again.
 

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av8er2 said:
If I wanted to be treated like crap, I would not of spent all this time and money to get here.
When I was in high school, I got tired of my parents, my boss and school administrators pushing me around and telling me what to do. So I showed them, I joined the Navy. :nuts:
 

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So are you considering changing careers or possibly starting a business of your own? Or do you intend to stay on your career path as an airline pilot?
 

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I only got into this business for two reasons--the spiffy uniforms and 10% off the hotel's breakfast buffet!:)

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Beertini said:
and 10% off the hotel's breakfast buffet!:)

Beertini

HAHA, if they even have a buffet!:bawling: !!! Few and far between!!!!!
 

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I don't know what the recruiting poster said at whatever flight school you attended but you're going to have to get in line to complain about having no control over your life. It's a very long line.

I can tell you from the experience of many of my former TWA friends who are now on the street and have tried life outside of aviation that IT SUCKS. Big time.

Owning your own business as your primary source of income sucks. Working sales 80 hours a week sucks. Working for UPS or FedEx outside of the cockpit sucks. Get the picture? Most people in my neighborhood put their kids on the bus and rush off to work (both of them work because they have to--few jobs on the outside pay anywhere near 6 figures). They get home at 6 p.m. and cut the grass and it's lights out by 8:30 to 9. Repeat every friggin' day for the rest of your life...

I've been getting paid to fly for around 20 years. Let me see how many years I really had the schedule I wanted or was home for the holidays. Hummm.... Ok, I got it. How about 2. That's right, I've had perfect QOL for about two years of 20. In 15 years at TWA I worked about 75-80% of the Thanksgivings and Christmases. Most of the kid's birthdays, too. I did get my anniversary off most every year--only because it's three days after Christmas so I generally got back off the trip around that time.

Vacation picks? I've found so many cool things to do during the last two weeks in February. :rolleyes:

I'm here because flying is still fun and that outweighs the other crap. If it doesn't do it for you, start looking for something that does. But be prepared for that to suck, too. Good luck.TC
 

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there are a lot more jobs flying an airplane around than being in an airline environment. For some reason people don't see this aspect of it.

It's not all about the (supposed) money, but about enjoying what you do. If you truly go to work with a smile on your face than QOL will follow from that. If you are miserable in your job than chances are good you will be miserable out of it too.

Look for the position in which you achieve that smile on your face, remember that there is no such thing as perfection though, and from that your life will follow
 

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Hey, I just dropped a bunch of National Guard guys off in Iraq to spend another year there. They were all enjoying being home, getting back into their jobs and the phone rings. Two day callup now they are away from home, family, and their jobs. You sound like your really belly aching to me, it is all falling on deaf ears-no sympathy from here. Grow up. You can always go sit on a street corner and beg for food, no schedule there and every day is your day to do with whatever you want.
 

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Sounds like some guys would like AV8er2's job.
 

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Complaining about your job to the public is an invitation to ridicule, much like posting on an anonymous pilot message board. Just keep it all inside until you explode, then blame it on aliens.
 

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FN FAL said:
When I was in high school, I got tired of my parents, my boss and school administrators pushing me around and telling me what to do. So I showed them, I joined the Navy. :nuts:
Hey.....that was my trick with the jarheads! That gave me a whole lot of control over my life <sarcasm> That sure taught my college professors, bosses, and girlfriend a lesson they'd never forget. <more sarcasm>
 

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Awwww, does baby want his wittle binky?

Want some cheese with that w(h)ine?

Somebody call the police...he's obviously being held hostage and forced to work a job he hates...

Here's a news flash: QUIT. Go get a nice civil service job and punch a clock for the next 25 years and take your federal holidays and weekends off.

Since I can't knock the crap out of you from behind my computer, do me a favor and put $20 worth of quarters in a sock and hit yourself in the face with it. It'll make me feel better, and might knock some sense into you.
 

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pilotyip said:
Sounds like some guys would like AV8er2's job.
More power to 'em :beer:
 

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TurboS7 said:
You can always go sit on a street corner and beg for food, no schedule there and every day is your day to do with whatever you want.


Really? cool. I'm in!! (sarcasm):nuts:
 

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av8er2 said:
It blows me away how little control over my life....
Hey, maybe you'll get furloughed. That oughta fix this little problem you're having!
 
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