Airline Pay Rate Comparison

[g159av8tor]

By the way, the difference at 1000 hours of pay at ACA vs. Mesa is $K. With per diem and soft money, soft money, soft money, third year at ACA is approximately $45-47K. Easily.

Tailwinds...

 

[Crizz]

Hypocritical

And which regional has the most pilots on furlough right now?

Pretty sure those sitting the bench are getting no block time... and heaven forbid no per-diem.

 

[c5driver]

With per diem and soft money, soft money, soft money, third year at ACA is approximately $45-47K. Easily.

Just wondering...is that supposed to be good money?

 

[g159av8tor]

Just wondering...is that supposed to be good money?

From a certain point of view...

Check this out:

http://www.scifi.as/nice/

Made me smile

 

[blzr]

Not real sure there are many REGIONAL pilots on furlough these days. If you are, you just haven't been looking, or willing to go to work. I know my former airline is HURTING for pilots. If you have 12 hours of wheelbarrow time they will hire you.. PDT... That's more experience than you need to fly an ERJ, just ask MESA

 

[8HourPilot]

Hey Crizz you bring up some good points, but here is one that you might have forgot.

What will happen when Mesa goes back to the table in a couple years (it was a 4 year contract right)? Right now they are growing like mad, and I wonder if they are going to try to get something that is considerably better than what they have right now. The pilots could really stick to JO where it I'll hurt him most, in his pocket book.

 

[wil]

Mesa still is a bottom feeder. BTW, We got a .005 raise on the ASA pay scales- I know, big deal! But it is a few cents more than what is posted. Wil

 

[coex]

I just added the Air Wisconsin rates, Sky West is next.

Anyone know how many seats are in the A.W. bae-146?

 

[Rottweiller]

I just added the Air Wisconsin rates, Sky West is next.

Anyone know how many seats are in the A.W. bae-146?

88 or 100 depends on model.

 

[Crizz]

Hey Crizz you bring up some good points, but here is one that you might have forgot.

What will happen when Mesa goes back to the table in a couple years (it was a 4 year contract right)? Right now they are growing like mad, and I wonder if they are going to try to get something that is considerably better than what they have right now. The pilots could really stick to JO where it I'll hurt him most, in his pocket book.

Theres no forgetting that... anything could happen at any time. Hopefully those guys will get a good contract next time around.


Im in no way saying Mesa would be a better airline to work for than ACA. I am saying that for a starving CFI, even 18k (Mesa) looks nice. And when the airline that pays 20k (ACA) isnt hiring, but furloughing, the difference seems petty.

I have spoken ad nauseum with some of the (airline pilot) mentors I have been lucky enough to have had in my life about the regional "dilemma." In every conversation there is a consistant message. Regionals (commuters to these old timers) suck. Always been that way, always will be that way. The only people complaining are the ones with the least right to do so.

When I sit across the table from some 20k+ hour mainline captains, I take their words very seriously. I'm not about to question the advice given by people who have seen it all before, and who have been very successful adhearing to the same advice they are giving.

The dirty little secret is: Weather it be 40k for a 3rd year FO at a "great regional" or 34k for a 3rd year FO at a "bottom feeder", both SUCK in comparison to the mainline pay rates.

I guess what it comes down to is that this is an industry of paying dues. Those that are willing to accept that fact and fly airplanes, in whatever shape or form, will one day be successful. Those who arent will sit on forums (not unlike this one) bashing everyone else and complaining about their lifestyle and paycheck.

It all works itself out in the end. I've got a long ways to go before I earn my first airline job. I accept the fact that I will not have the "airline pilot lifestyle" that most people think of, for a long time. That will make it sweeter when the day comes.

 

[Rottweiller]

It all works itself out in the end. I've got a long ways to go before I earn my first airline job. I accept the fact that I will not have the "airline pilot lifestyle" that most people think of, for a long time. That will make it sweeter when the day comes.

The problem is today that only a small percentage of pilots will ever see mainline and realise 'the dream', the regionals are expanding and the majors are contracting.

Therefore it is important to get the level of regional pay up to a point where you can make make decent living especially if that is where you will end up until 60.

Low balling everyone just so you can have a shot at the dream job is never going to improve anything for anyone and dangling a carrot in front of low timers with a 'come fly a jet for CFI wages' doesn't help matters.

You also mentioned 'paying dues'. Well I used to fly in the bush for many years (overseas mainly) but the same attitude was there. "Oh you have to earn your dues to fly X so sweep out the hangar, move this etc etc and after a season then you can fly". I told these operators to shove it I was a pilot not a rampie. I did fly for operators that didn't ask this you just have to stick it out and look harder and don't take the first thing that comes along, and you know what? The life style was far better than those humping oil drums and cleaning the hangar just to fly a piece of $hit next year.

 

[c5driver]

I guess what it comes down to is that this is an industry of paying dues. Those that are willing to accept that fact and fly airplanes, in whatever shape or form, will one day be successful. Those who arent will sit on forums (not unlike this one) bashing everyone else and complaining about their lifestyle and paycheck.

Well said Crizz.

You also mentioned 'paying dues'. Well I used to fly in the bush for many years (overseas mainly) but the same attitude was there. "Oh you have to earn your dues to fly X so sweep out the hangar, move this etc etc and after a season then you can fly". I told these operators to shove it I was a pilot not a rampie.

I fly one of the largest airplanes in the world, fly into the some of the worst (and best ) locations as well, compared to my civi counterparts... I'm underpaid (747-400 CA). Paying dues, I guess you can call it that. Just wondering what my Ops Group Commander would have done if I told him to 'shove it' when he asked me to help him sweep up the parking lot for a DV visit.

 

[wingnutt]

Just wondering what my Ops Group Commander would have done if I told him to 'shove it' when he asked me to help him sweep up the parking lot for a DV visit.

lol...you my friend, forfeitted that right when you signed that little piece of paper

 

[coex]

I just added the SkyWest rates.
http://www.aviationinterviews.com/compare_pay_rates.php

Anyone else have rates for their company?

 

[Rotorhead]

Check your PM's for ACA rates.