Airline Pay cuts driving away best pilots

[instructordude]

Or the responsibility. You are selling yourself and skill set out. Do you really have that little self worth?

Self worth??? I am a proud ALPA member, hat wearing, airline pilot professional who takes his job and responsibilty serious. I just don't think we should be paid the moon and defintely not compared with management.

 

[instructordude]

Look at the tools picture this quote fits him. He just happy he can fly. So what if daddy has to give him money

That picture is what describes me: "The love of flying and slipping the surly bonds of earth." I'm in it for the experience it brings me everytime I takeoff and look down at the ground below. Flying is my blood.

 

[Lear70]

I would hope that no airline would hire someone that would pose that sort of liability. As an IRO is one thing, as a five leg a day domestic pilot is another.

You're dreaming...

Airlines hired 300 hour total time guys who paid THE AIRLINE for the PRIVILEGE of working in the right seat.

What makes you think the CEO's aren't DROOLING over the MPL...?

 

[Question4U]

That picture is what describes me: "The love of flying and slipping the surly bonds of earth." I'm in it for the experience it brings me everytime I takeoff and look down at the ground below. Flying is my blood.

Great don't worry about feeding your family nad have a financail future. As long as you are having a good time while management is making money. You are a management types wet dream.

 

[RP170]

Airlines hired 300 hour total time guys who paid THE AIRLINE for the PRIVILEGE of working in the right seat.

Have any of these companies ever had a fatal accident as a result of this? I don't believe any have. I think it would be all over the media if someone with 300 hours in an airliner was part of crash with fatalities. Places like Gulfstream would most likely be shut down which would probably be a good thing with regard to safety.

 

[ROSWELL41]

So what does Prater say about the MPL?

 

[Lear70]

Have any of these companies ever had a fatal accident as a result of this? I don't believe any have. I think it would be all over the media if someone with 300 hours in an airliner was part of crash with fatalities. Places like Gulfstream would most likely be shut down which would probably be a good thing with regard to safety.

Yes, they did.

Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701. Both the Captain and the F/O were ex-Gulfstream, amusingly enough, now that you mention it.

The Captain had a lot of total time, but very little jet time at all, had been on property and in the CRJ less than a year.

The F/O was very low time, I flew with him the month before it happened. Nice guy, but obviously low-time.

It didn't garner national attention because it was a reposition flight empty after maintenance back to DTW, there were no passengers on board, no flight attendant either...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

A guy from a 141 school is a lot different than someone trained and certified with a MPL.

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Sadly, the flying public doesn't care who flies the plane or what they get paid and they probably never will. A major event like this gets their attention for a couple of days but in the end they just want cheap tickets.

Until it's they're son, daughter, mother, father, husband, wife thats killed in a crash.

THEN they'll change they're opinion.

 

[Flopgut]

So what does Prater say about the MPL?

"How can I merchandise this for the top 25% of ALPA?"

 

[livin'thesim]

Pilots don't "manage" the asset from a business standpoint. They operate a machine. Comparing a CEO to a pilot is not really credible. This is not an argument for or against any particular pay rate, just pointing out the difference.

If the captain 'managed' the airplane like a CEO, that CA would also be making business decisions about the routes it flies and how much to charge for a ticket. I think the argument about managing the asset is not going to get any traction, and is best abandoned.

Look at it this way, is the Captain of a beat-up old 727 worth less than the captain of a brand-new A320? Those two aircraft have very different price tags, but the number of souls aboard is comparable. Should a NWA DC-9 captain make substantially less than an A320 captain, adjusting for the seat count? As they aircraft depreciates, should pay scale down accordingly?

The safety and experience argument is the way to go IMO.

 

[C180drvr]

National seniority list, national contract. Allow lateral movement and elminate the total reliance on "your" airlines' fate in determining your career. Let some airlines liquidate instead of extorting concessions via the "at least I still have a job and where else am I gonna go" route. Fewer jobs but better pay for the pilots with overall seniority to hold them.

Probably never going to happen. And the pitiful pay and benefits packages now seen in the industry won't improve.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[C180drvr]

To InstructorDudes posts....

Flying is in my blood too, but I have a small airplane to enjoy. I left the majors after 10 years because the position became untenable both financially and with scheduling. Perhaps I'll return in 4 years when my leave is up, but I highly doubt it. The career has gone in the toilet and wouldn't recommend it to anyone. To think otherwise is truly naive.

 

[chjack]

you guys talk a big game about the mpl now, but management will offer you an extra $5 an hour, and you'll sell the profession out permanently just like you did with scope.

 

[chjack]

Sad thing is you ask most pilots you fly with about the Multi Pilot license and they literally have no idea. I had an FAA guy tell me that one day your FO on a major will only have 50 hours of flying experience sitting next to you in a Boeing or Airbus.

http://www.atwonline.com/channels/safetySecurity/article.html?articleID=1428

yeah, basically, you could have an f/o on a 777 that wasnt qualified to rent a 172 from the local fbo on his off days.