Airline Pay cuts driving away best pilots

[aircowboy]

Entry level Cop with GED is 84000 in most areas of California now.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is my point.

A good friend of mine who is a CEO of a very large corporation told me that with what I am responsible I should make about 175K min with a 40% incentive bonus a year. A CA would be making over 500K

 

[lookin4better]

That's no joke... the MPL must be stopped at all costs.

 

[BeachBummer]

That's no joke... the MPL must be stopped at all costs.

Refuse to fly with them, they pose a direct threat to safety! God help us all if this goes through, I'll buy an RV.

 

[zman]

It will until 2012. Then everyone will be in deep doo doo. The airline's answer to this is a MPL (Multi Pilot License) That just lowers the bar and confirms what Sully's fears our.
We as a collective group need to fight for this never to happen in the US. It is in essence a Captain flight instructing full time.

Sad thing is you ask most pilots you fly with about the Multi Pilot license and they literally have no idea. I had an FAA guy tell me that one day your FO on a major will only have 50 hours of flying experience sitting next to you in a Boeing or Airbus.

http://www.atwonline.com/channels/safetySecurity/article.html?articleID=1428

 

[Lear70]

Still way too many 20-something CFI's chasing the dream. 80k? 60k? Sounds great when you're living in your parents' basement making two grand a month.

I didn't know you knew InstructorDude that well...



p.s. Thank you Sully for at least making that a salient point during your testimony. I'm sure it'll get swept under the rug, and we all here can tell each other what we need to make, but it matters SQUAT until it's important enough to require legislation or it causes financial discomfort for airline management.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would hope that no airline would hire someone that would pose that sort of liability. As an IRO is one thing, as a five leg a day domestic pilot is another.

 

[contrail67]

Entry level Cop with GED is 84000 in most areas of California now.

Its California....COLA.

 

[Question4U]

Yeah but the trash man doesn't have an office with a view like ours.

Look at the tools picture this quote fits him. He just happy he can fly. So what if daddy has to give him money

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeah but the trash man doesn't have an office with a view like ours.

Or the responsibility. You are selling yourself and skill set out. Do you really have that little self worth?

 

[instructordude]

Or the responsibility. You are selling yourself and skill set out. Do you really have that little self worth?

Self worth??? I am a proud ALPA member, hat wearing, airline pilot professional who takes his job and responsibilty serious. I just don't think we should be paid the moon and defintely not compared with management.

 

[instructordude]

Look at the tools picture this quote fits him. He just happy he can fly. So what if daddy has to give him money

That picture is what describes me: "The love of flying and slipping the surly bonds of earth." I'm in it for the experience it brings me everytime I takeoff and look down at the ground below. Flying is my blood.

 

[Lear70]

I would hope that no airline would hire someone that would pose that sort of liability. As an IRO is one thing, as a five leg a day domestic pilot is another.

You're dreaming...

Airlines hired 300 hour total time guys who paid THE AIRLINE for the PRIVILEGE of working in the right seat.

What makes you think the CEO's aren't DROOLING over the MPL...?

 

[Question4U]

That picture is what describes me: "The love of flying and slipping the surly bonds of earth." I'm in it for the experience it brings me everytime I takeoff and look down at the ground below. Flying is my blood.

Great don't worry about feeding your family nad have a financail future. As long as you are having a good time while management is making money. You are a management types wet dream.

 

[RP170]

Airlines hired 300 hour total time guys who paid THE AIRLINE for the PRIVILEGE of working in the right seat.

Have any of these companies ever had a fatal accident as a result of this? I don't believe any have. I think it would be all over the media if someone with 300 hours in an airliner was part of crash with fatalities. Places like Gulfstream would most likely be shut down which would probably be a good thing with regard to safety.

 

[ROSWELL41]

So what does Prater say about the MPL?

 

[Lear70]

Have any of these companies ever had a fatal accident as a result of this? I don't believe any have. I think it would be all over the media if someone with 300 hours in an airliner was part of crash with fatalities. Places like Gulfstream would most likely be shut down which would probably be a good thing with regard to safety.

Yes, they did.

Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701. Both the Captain and the F/O were ex-Gulfstream, amusingly enough, now that you mention it.

The Captain had a lot of total time, but very little jet time at all, had been on property and in the CRJ less than a year.

The F/O was very low time, I flew with him the month before it happened. Nice guy, but obviously low-time.

It didn't garner national attention because it was a reposition flight empty after maintenance back to DTW, there were no passengers on board, no flight attendant either...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

A guy from a 141 school is a lot different than someone trained and certified with a MPL.

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Sadly, the flying public doesn't care who flies the plane or what they get paid and they probably never will. A major event like this gets their attention for a couple of days but in the end they just want cheap tickets.

Until it's they're son, daughter, mother, father, husband, wife thats killed in a crash.

THEN they'll change they're opinion.

 

[Flopgut]

So what does Prater say about the MPL?

"How can I merchandise this for the top 25% of ALPA?"