Airline Apps Question

[Wowjack]

Is anybody else having a hard time figuring out flight time totals on this thing. For some reason my PIC and SIC time doesn't match my Total time. I've looked at my Dual Received to try to figure this out. Just wondering if the rest were getting stumped on this?

 

[viper548]

PIC and SIC usually don't equal total time because of some of your dual time. During your instrument and commercial ratings you probably logged dual and PIC time. If you haven't gone to an electronic logbook yet, I'd suggest logbook pro. It takes a while to get all your time in there but it makes filling out applications really easy.

 

[Wowjack]

I've been looking into, I think that maybe a good idea. Thanks

 

[NYCPilot]

I created my own logbook in Excel. You might save a couple of bucks.

 

[Wowjack]

I had that program somwhere around here. I'll go find it.

 

[RedDogC130]

There is also the debate that you should only log 1 type of flight. PIC, SIC or Dual. I logged dual whenever I was receiving instruction and olnly PIC and SIC as appropriate. Now all my times add up. PIC+SIC+DUAL=TOTAL. It works for me mabye not for you. I just do not like the b.s of dealing with the number crunching. Afterall, are you logging the PIC per Part I or Part 61? I only logged per part 1. The amount you lose is not worth the explanation at the job interview. Good luck.

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

ASEL+AMEL+ (rotor, glider)=TOTAL

 

[BoDEAN]

Is anybody else having a hard time figuring out flight time totals on this thing. For some reason my PIC and SIC time doesn't match my Total time. I've looked at my Dual Received to try to figure this out. Just wondering if the rest were getting stumped on this?

They were close, but not exact when I filled it out.

 

[blueskysalesman]

I literally lost 5-6 hours last Saturday trying to find out where in the #$%@ the 9 hour difference came from. I totalled every known logbook, company log, and tabulation that I could think of to make the numbers come up. I see now that it wasn't just me and that is time (just like commuting) that I will can never get back. As long as your logbook is correct than I would loose sleep over it.

Good Luck!

 

[Schicer]

Remember all that time while working on your private was neither PIC or SIC, simply dual...except when you flew solo (sole occupant of the aircraft). After you got your private, even if you were receiving instruction, that time should be considered PIC and dual because you were the sole manipulator of the controls for an aircraft in which you were appropriately rated.

Therefore.....your PIC + SIC + dual does not necessarily equal your total time.

I know some people simply filled out the application the way they thought that particular airline wanted it, and then attached an addendum explaining the difference.

Good luck

 

[Captain X]

I think it's an issue with how Air Apps calculates the time.

I too kept having the same problem. Was always off by about 150 hours or so. I kept trying to tweak the ones that were high so it would mirror my actaul logbook. Never got it less than 90 hours off.

So I bought Logbook Pro and spent a month entering everything from my paper logbooks into the program. Found a few math errors in my paper logbook.

Entered the #'s straight from Logbook Pro into Airline Apps....

Guess what? Still didn't add up. They add up in Logbook Pro and with a caculator but not in AirApps. Still off by about 50 hours out of an approximate 5000....so around a 1% error.

 

[Captain X]

I finally figured out the problem...at least in my case:

After your private, you were appropriately rated as PIC in ASEL. When you did Intrument and Commercial training your CFI likely filled your logbook in with both PIC time and DUAL Received which is technically correct.

Because AirApps calculates PIC time the way the airlines want it broken out -- signing responsibilty for the aircraft -- the discrepancy occurs when flights are logged both ways unless you make the adjustment when you put your totals in AirApps -- IOW, a flight in a 172 that was Instrument Training and logged as both PIC and DUAL Rec'd would only be entered as DUAL in AirApps and subtracted from your total PIC time.

To see if this is the issue, subtract your TT in your logbook from the TT in AirApps. This should give you a number close to the total DUAL Received in your logbook but not exact. Subtract the number you get from your DUAL Received and it should be equal to all time where you WERE NOT appropriately rated in an aircraft you were recieving instruction in.

 

[Going2Baja]

Wowjack - with your 3800+ hrs you have pleanty of time to be able to lop off any pic that was logged with dual. Only count dual for needed ratings or signoffs. I think someone above said something about 9 missing hours - who cares!!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

similar problem. application set up like this.

total hrs (must total both horizontal and vertical.
pic sic total
sel piston
sel turboprop
sel jet
me pistion
me turboprop
me jet.

have spent the last 6 hrs trying to make work!!!