Aircraft management pricing

[Gulfstream 200]

While I do I agree that probably happens at the lower end, it certainly does not happen at a major company like CA, Flex, NJ. You get what you pay for.
Why would you want the hassle of worrying about taking care of the plane and all that goes with it? ( like mx, customs, insurance, etc. etc ) If I were in that position, I would certainly rather pay a large established company to handle all of that. I would just want to call them and say, I need a plane to take me from XXX to XXX on this date/time. And you know what? They are there waiting for me. I would never ever have to worry about anything plane related. No rules are being bent, no mx issues "overlooked". If something happens mx-wise, they simply send another of their 100+ airplanes to recover the trip. <-- That is worth a lot! Yes they all have handlers for Intl, both pilots are type rated and planes are well maintained.
That being said, If I were a pilot getting together with a few other pilots who all wanted to own an airplane, then yes, do it yourself. If I'm a non pilot owner, then I would go with a management company.

LOL...have you ever even worked in this industry?

Bottom line is you have to watch/audit a Mgmt company just as much or more than your own people. No such thing as just "writing the check" as the raping will never stop....from low end to the "best"' ones out there.

 

[gern_blanston]

"The last thing you need is a layer of B/S between you and your pilots and your air machine."

What does this mean? Clueless and exactly why pilots are viewed as friggen buffoons. Their view of self importance is overwhelming. Go to the NBC site and watch the clip tonight about pilots having lost their skills to fly a plane.

Pilots are usually trained to fly an airplane...what makes them qualified to manage a business (i.e flight department)? Do you know how to prepare a budget, do you know what the current hull rates for insurance are, do you really know the FAR's and tax rules for personal use of an a/c (most 91 outfits are illegal, they just haven't been caught), what do you know about ERISA, etc?

If you are the one in charge of the plane, it is always your fault when the sucker doesn't work, if you won't bend the rules as the owner asks for, if Jet A goes to $8/gallon and you said it would only cost $5...do you really want your butt on the line for this type of nonsense?

The fact is that most owners could care less about their pilots, other than they know how to fly. You think they like you, but the fact is your a glorified chauffeur in their minds. It's a fact and you whacking in the shower on the 4th of July if you think differently.

How many pilots have become a successful CEO of a company? Google it and there are exactly zero, and Gordon doesn't qualify.

Now with that being said, a pilot is so much smarter than the boss...right?

It's obvious that you have never managed an airplane or been a chief pilot. Nothing wrong with that, it's just a fact.
And any pilot who takes crap from his boss if 'the sucker doesn't work' or gas goes to $8 a gallon should be managed.

Do you know how to prepare a budget, do you know what the current hull rates for insurance are, do you really know the FAR's and tax rules for personal use of an a/c...?

Yes.
And it's "couldn't care less"

 

[rondo]

Is that what passes for evidence?

Coming from a guy who has "Ask me about insuring your aircraft" as his FI profile information, we will never agree on this. Just like politics or religion.

 

[rondo]

As is you could tell me something about "insuring my aircraft" that I couldn't find out myself. Is that evidence or do you want me to swab for DNA?

 

[gret]

And it's "couldn't care less"

There is some suggestion that the phrase “I could care less” may have been adopted because it fit into certain Yiddish phrases that deliberately mean the opposite and can be viewed as sarcastic. Such phrases include, “I should be so lucky,” which really means you’re not likely to have the luck. Another phrase, “Tell me about it,” means the opposite. It’s merely a way to agree with the speaker.
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[rondo]

Very insightful.

 

[gern_blanston]

And it's "couldn't care less"

There is some suggestion that the phrase “I could care less” may have been adopted because it fit into certain Yiddish phrases that deliberately mean the opposite and can be viewed as sarcastic. Such phrases include, “I should be so lucky,” which really means you’re not likely to have the luck. Another phrase, “Tell me about it,” means the opposite. It’s merely a way to agree with the speaker.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I could care less

 

[gret]

I saw it but it didn't serve my purpose so I chose to ingore it.

BTW Managed dozens of a/c. Some mgmt companies are good..some are bad. Just like flight department managers. Too many of the comments are generalizations and appear to be based on limited encounters.