Aircraft has slid off runway at MDW

[737tanker]

Using the HGS the minimums for an ILS to 31C is an RVR of 3000, it also has a DH of 817. The approach is ILS Z RWY 31C page 11-7 of the Jepps. So an RVR of 3000 is legal as all of SWA's aircraft have HGS

 

[ultrarunner]

Am I correct in assuming that is the one reported on the METAR? or would it be the lowest?

Sorry for the dumbass questions......its been a slow night here.

-mini

The METAR is obsolete recorded data.

The tower will issue the real-time RVR reports when the aircraft checks in on the tower freq.

Heck, the metar could be an hour old. It's essentially meaningless.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Am I correct in assuming that is the one reported on the METAR? or would it be the lowest?

Sorry for the dumbass questions......its been a slow night here.

-mini

I am just going off the METAR that someone posted here. I thought that the METAR coincided with the exact time it happened. Not sure though.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Using the HGS the minimums for an ILS to 31C is an RVR of 3000, it also has a DH of 817. The approach is ILS Z RWY 31C page 11-7 of the Jepps. So an RVR of 3000 is legal as all of SWA's aircraft have HGS

Thanks. I thought that it was 4000.

 

[ultrarunner]

Anyone know know what the most recent arrival was before this SWA flight?

They are reporting SWA held for sometime. So I'm wondering if they were the "first" to "try it" for some time.

 

[SiuDude]

Fatal Accident?

After the crash, I listened to my scanner as a CFD ambulance make a patient "telemetry" call to a hospital. Apparently, a 6 year old child who was in a car was reported to have no vital signs.

 

[ultrarunner]

Coop is reporting the death now of an 8 yo male.

 

[FN FAL]

Coop is reporting the death now of an 8 yo male.

Now begins the homicide investigation.

 

[Jump Pilot]

Flightaware.com shows it holding southeast of MDW and landing at 19:16 cst.

SWA 321 arrived 1903
SWA 1830 arrived 1907

That looks like the last to come in.

 

[blueraider]

thoughts and prayers go to all involved...

 

[LarryinTN]

Would the captain have gotten in trouble in they used their alternate? From the looks of it, i'd say getthereistis?

111 total time and 20/20 hindsight. What a great combination.

There certainly wasn't much margin for error. Problem is, it was legal and it's a hard call to be the first one to say "No!". Without the benefit of hindsight, it's very difficult to find the line with okay and no go.

 

[Jump Pilot]

I don't know why it put smiley faces in my post above. Nothing is meant or implied by it on my part.

Nevermind. I fixed it.

 

[satpak77]

CNN reporting a child died as a result of injuries

 

[citabriapilot]

If it is determined that the pilots were right on as far as speed and altitude control go, will they be terminated? Seems like everyone else was getting in, perhaps they ended up with bad luck due to poor braking that developed in between previous arrivals?

If they were not stabalized like the guys in the Burbank overrun, I could understand kicking them to the curb, but what about a situation like this?

Any ideas?

 

[LarryinTN]

Ahh, but they had "in flight visibility".....

The METAR before the accident had more than enough RVR for the approach. The METAR after the accident was below minimums. Probably right about mins when they shot the approach.

Of course, nothing to indicate that visibility was a factor. They found the runway. Problem seems to have been stopping the airplane on the 5826' of available snow-covered runway. Probably only 4300-4800 feet from touchdown. That would be touch on a clear day if the runway condition was worse than had been reported to the crew.

 

[FN FAL]

If it is determined that the pilots were right on as far as speed and altitude control go, will they be terminated? Seems like everyone else was getting in, perhaps they ended up with bad luck due to poor braking that developed in between previous arrivals?

If they were not stabalized like the guys in the Burbank overrun, I could understand kicking them to the curb, but what about a situation like this?

Any ideas?

I would worry less about being terminated by SWA and more about getting prosecuted by the State of Illinois in the Cook County courthouse.

 

[LarryinTN]

So if midfield was 3000 but Touchdown was 4000 they were good to go?

No midfield RVR on a 6500' runway. Touchdown is controlling, rollout is advisory.

The 3000 RVR was 20 minutes after the accident. 15 minutes before the accident the RVR was above mins.

 

[minitour]

No midfield RVR on a 6500' runway. Touchdown is controlling, rollout is advisory.

Gotcha....sorry again for the stupid questions...the Jepp checklist is getting to me.

I owe ya a beer!

-mini

 

[ultrarunner]

I would worry less about being terminated by SWA and more about getting prosecuted by the State of Illinois in the Cook County courthouse.

Yep, no doubt about it. The flight crew will almost certaily be defending themselves in a Wrongful Death Civil trial as well as a possible criminal trial. Although the latter is less likely, the former will happen.

 

[FN FAL]

Yep, no doubt about it. The flight crew will almost certaily be defending themselves in a Wrongful Death Civil trial as well as a possible criminal trial. Although the latter is less likely, the former will happen.

Why is the LATTER less likely? The latter is usually the forerunner to a wrongful death suit.