Air Wisconsin

[flyboyzz1]

What are the current mins for Air Wisconsin? Anyone know the projected hiring for 07?

 

[One Wing Low]

I think that I herad the Wisky wont be hiring until March or so, but then again who knows.... many variables at ZW, they may start hiring again next week. As for the mins..

• 1000 hours total flight time
• 250 hours multi-engine
• ATP written within 1yr of hire
• 1st class medical
• Valid passport

*Pilots must have a High School Diploma or equivalent, provide proof of eligibility to work in the U.S., and must be able to read, write, understand and converse proficiently in English, the common/universal language of aviation.

But, I think they will always lower them for the right person

 

[flyslow24]

Next new hire class is Febuary 1st. No captains upgrading until March? A little fat on pilots.

Attrition is slowed to 7-8 per month. So they will need more people eventually.

 

[NEDude]

Next new hire class is Febuary 1st. No captains upgrading until March? A little fat on pilots.

Attrition is slowed to 7-8 per month. So they will need more people eventually.

Look for that to change with the Air Tran/Midwest announcement today and the news that it will be a while before Midwest makes any decision on RJ flying. I see attrition skyrocketing soon.

 

[CaptETWes]

Internal letters of rec are almost a requirement to get on at AWAC. I can't remember talking to someone who was hired without one, at least during the last year's worth of hiring. Furthermore, those times listed above are not that firm particularly if you have a rec. letter or two in hand.

I do know we are hiring into a pool right now with a slim possiblity of a small class as early as January. That is from someone who interviewed last week. All hiring is still attrition-based like it has been for some time.

Good luck.

 

[CaptainChris77]

I'm a relatively new FO at AWAC (hired August 2006).... if you want to work here its a great place to be. I came from 135 without really knowing anyone on the "inside." Just submitted my resume, got the call, and took a couple reference letters up with me.

There is a pool right now for a class in Jan. then they will keep hiring 6-8/month until attrition picks up. There are a LOT of people waiting to see what happens with Midwest/Arbitration.... and either way, I think we'll be hiring like crazy in 2007. If you want to work here, submit your stuff until you get a call, then its your job to lose.

Good luck!

 

[flyboyzz1]

I'm a relatively new FO at AWAC (hired August 2006).... if you want to work here its a great place to be. I came from 135 without really knowing anyone on the "inside." Just submitted my resume, got the call, and took a couple reference letters up with me.

There is a pool right now for a class in Jan. then they will keep hiring 6-8/month until attrition picks up. There are a LOT of people waiting to see what happens with Midwest/Arbitration.... and either way, I think we'll be hiring like crazy in 2007. If you want to work here, submit your stuff until you get a call, then its your job to lose.

Good luck!

Looks like a great place to be. I have to finish one more semester of school before I'll be ready to apply. When will Midwest announce if AWAC will get the flying? Also should I start applying in a few months or wait till I've graduated?

 

[CaptainChris77]

Looks like a great place to be. I have to finish one more semester of school before I'll be ready to apply. When will Midwest announce if AWAC will get the flying? Also should I start applying in a few months or wait till I've graduated?

When will Midwest award the flying.... that is the question of the day. Nobody really knows. Personally---I think we'll get it. Some people are losing faith because it is taking so long for them to announce a decision.

If I were you start applying when you get a few months from being out of school. When you get the call to interview tell them you still have 2-3 months to finish school and they'll likely put you in a pool anyways.

Good luck.

 

[NEDude]

When will Midwest award the flying.... that is the question of the day. Nobody really knows. Personally---I think we'll get it. Some people are losing faith because it is taking so long for them to announce a decision.

After the announcement of the proposed merger/takeover between Air Tran and Midwest, the "official" speculation is that it may be quite a while before Midwest makes any decision.

 

[BoilerUP]

Send the resume via email and fax, and update it every 3-4 weeks until you get called. That's what I did...and it took 4 resumes to get an interview (I didn't know anybody).

Regardless of what happens with Midwest and the contract arbitration, at some point in the first quarter of 2007 the floodgates are going to open in ATW...whether its because of growth or attrition remains to be seen.

When will there be an announcement about Midwest 50 seat flying? When the dust settles from yesterday and its decided who stands to make the most $$$ (and power) from which deal.

 

[LoveGun]

I saw Air Wisconsin at the Air Inc career fair last month. They said their mins were 600 TT and 100 multi, but they said they would hire as low as a freshly minted MEI with only 250 hours as long as they came highly recomended. They sounded a bit desperate. Good luck.

 

[CaptainChris77]

I saw Air Wisconsin at the Air Inc career fair last month. They said their mins were 600 TT and 100 multi, but they said they would hire as low as a freshly minted MEI with only 250 hours as long as they came highly recomended. They sounded a bit desperate. Good luck.

NOT TRUE..... AWAC has NO need for new hires right now. We have a pool and we're only pulling like 8 people a month from that pool. Nice try love gun. Last I heard they were interviewing ~35 people a week twice a month for 8 slots...... real desperate.

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't think he was trying to dig on us...they'll hire low-timers if they are highly recommended, have good experience, or if they decide to break the bank to by an RJ type. Just because a few get hired like that doesn't mean its common.

 

[MarineGrunt]

AirInc has AirWilly listed on their website as attending the DFW career fair Jan 27..

 

[CaptainChris77]

I don't think he was trying to dig on us...they'll hire low-timers if they are highly recommended, have good experience, or if they decide to break the bank to by an RJ type. Just because a few get hired like that doesn't mean its common.

I get what he is saying... but there are guys with 1,000+ with letters of rec. in at AWAC. They have been waiting for a call.... so we're not exactly "desperate."

BoilerUP which base are you at? I'm ORF

 

[bizzum]

I get what he is saying... but there are guys with 1,000+ with letters of rec. in at AWAC. They have been waiting for a call.... so we're not exactly "desperate."

BoilerUP which base are you at? I'm ORF

I just got a good friend of mine an interview, took only a week for him to get the interview call, and now he is waiting to hear, he was told to expect a class in January.

 

[AdSo81]

Everyone has been talking about a mass exodus occuring along with the results of both the Mid Ex/Arbitration. Im hesitant to say that its going to happen like that. Attrition has slowed (as is customary of this time of the year), and there is not a whole lot of other hiring in bigger and better places going on. A lot of people at this airline wouldnt have much to gain by jumping ship (agian as proven by the slow attrition with the current QOL). Ive actually moved back 2 spots in PHL over the past couple of months, and the schedules are not improving what so ever. (69 hours of block and min days off for me in Jan). I just dont see much improvment at this place in the foresable future, of course it could get slighty better depending on the arbitration. Bottom line...if you want to go someplace and upgrade and enjoy good schedules, dont come here. If on the other hand you live in one of our domiciles and you can deal with crap schedules for a while...maybe its ok. Im just not seeing much light at the end of the tunnel currently.

 

[BoilerUP]

Im just not seeing much light at the end of the tunnel currently.

You really shouldn't be so pessimistic.

2007 will be a boom hiring year (yeah, I can hear pilotyip now). Legacies are going to be hiring again after finished with recalls, FDX continues to hire, UPS will hire more pilots than anytime in its history next year, CAL has a veritable sh!tload of retirements coming up, and SWA & Frontier have continued sniping people from our ranks. Hiring as slowed at AWAC because attrition has slowed because hiring slows EVERYWHERE over the holidays...and schedules are low-credit because 1. we are fat pilots right now, and 2. the normal reduction in winter flying.

I fully expect the first and second quarter of next year to see a return of heavy attrition from the captain ranks, especially depending on what happens the next two months. The long-distance commuters are growing weary of the crap QOL...so why not go somewhere else with a strong possiblity of long-term career improvement & increased compensation?

 

[AdSo81]

I agree with you...I shouldnt be so pessimistic, infact Ive been trying not to be for the sake of my own sanity. How ever...I am one of those long range commuters and Im getting pretty worn down with my whopping 8 days at home a month, and Im not quite to the point yet were I can be competative for something bigger and better. I hope your right about 2007, because its gonna be a long ride if it happens otherwise.

 

[1973Arrow]

Everyone has been talking about a mass exodus occuring along with the results of both the Mid Ex/Arbitration. Im hesitant to say that its going to happen like that. Attrition has slowed (as is customary of this time of the year), and there is not a whole lot of other hiring in bigger and better places going on. A lot of people at this airline wouldnt have much to gain by jumping ship (agian as proven by the slow attrition with the current QOL).

Wow, I thought I was the only gloom and doom guy. Realisticly, expect attrition to start back after 1Jan. The last several captains I've flown with are waiting on class dates, or already have class dates. You'll move up, it's just going to be a late Christmas present.

 

[CaptainChris77]

Wow, I thought I was the only gloom and doom guy. Realisticly, expect attrition to start back after 1Jan. The last several captains I've flown with are waiting on class dates, or already have class dates. You'll move up, it's just going to be a late Christmas present.

Yep... I've flown in the past few weeks with two guys waiting to hear from interviews.... one waiting on a SWA class date, and one going to AirTran in Jan. I JUST WANT TO GET OFF RESERVE 69 hours of credit or 100 hours of credit... makes no difference to me!

 

[CaptETWes]

Yep... I've flown in the past few weeks with two guys waiting to hear from interviews.... one waiting on a SWA class date, and one going to AirTran in Jan. I JUST WANT TO GET OFF RESERVE 69 hours of credit or 100 hours of credit... makes no difference to me!

Wow, a couple of months on reserve and counting. Try singing that song to the guys here who had to do it for years. I myself did it for 5 months while guys in my class are still doing it into January (that will be month #8) and beyond. But those guys didn't get into DCA during the last round of vacancies. Expect a lot of shifting when the next ones come out. Basically, I suggest being patient, that's what seniority is all about.

 

[1973Arrow]

Listen to Murph...I mean Wes...he's a smart dude.

 

[CaptETWes]

One more thing, since there were no classes in November (I think?), December, and a remote chance of a small one in January, those guys will not get done with IOE until the end of February at the earliest. Until that fresh meat is in circulation, you have a good idea of how long your reserve life will last. That's what happened to my class; they didn't run another one for almost 3 months after mine, so there was a natural increase in reserve life. Unless of course you are fairly senior in your domicile and on reserve, then as attrition gets things moving (allbeit very slowly) you could reasonably shorten your expected reserve life.

Cheers.

 

[CaptETWes]

Listen to Murph...I mean Wes...he's a smart dude.

Thanks to bizzum I'm never going to shake that nickname. Grrrreat...

 

[CaptainChris77]

Wow, a couple of months on reserve and counting. Try singing that song to the guys here who had to do it for years. I myself did it for 5 months while guys in my class are still doing it into January (that will be month #8) and beyond. But those guys didn't get into DCA during the last round of vacancies. Expect a lot of shifting when the next ones come out. Basically, I suggest being patient, that's what seniority is all about.

Whats wrong with wanting off reserve?? I wasn't bitching... just saying I'm ready for a line. I've been on reserve since Oct. and have a reserve line for Jan. Don't expect to get off until March at the earliest. It took about 3 months to meet the CKS requirements.

 

[CaptETWes]

Whats wrong with wanting off reserve?? I wasn't bitching... just saying I'm ready for a line. I've been on reserve since Oct. and have a reserve line for Jan. Don't expect to get off until March at the earliest. It took about 3 months to meet the CKS requirements.

I know you weren't bitching, man, just merely pointing out that a few months on reserve these days is much, much better than it has been in the past. All your eagerness aside, which is justified, I would try to be sensitive to those you fly with because they could have gone through years of reserve. Some of the disgruntled characters we have would not take too kindly to a reserve FO complaining about only a couple of months of reserve. I chose to not bring the subject up for the sake of not stepping on any toes. Believe me, I know it sucks but I tried to ignore the length of my time on reserve and make the most of it with the other reservists in my crashpad. I really do hope it's not long before you're on the line. Take care.

 

[masedogg19]

So what's the deal with FO's passing on the upgrade....the CA I'm flying with right now just did OE for a new CA that has a 136** number....AdSo, that means we are getting close........

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

So what's the deal with FO's passing on the upgrade....the CA I'm flying with right now just did OE for a new CA that has a 136** number....AdSo, that means we are getting close........

That is incorrect. I have a 134** number and an upgrade has not reached me yet. Although there are quite a few who passed upgrade, and more that will.

Also the speculation of Midex taking longer was the day Airtran made their announcment. Since then Midex has publicly stated that they are not interested.

 

[masedogg19]

Fair enough....maybe it wasn't 136**(it was late and I commuted in yesterday).....but it was in the 13*** area....I still have a quite a way to go though