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Air Wisconsin Begins Recalls...

Beechnut

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We just received word today that Air Wisconsin intends to call back 18 of the 39 furloughed folks and have them online sometime around August of '02. They will be Dornier 328 F.O.s in Denver. We don't have any information about the remaining furloughies yet, as this recall doesn't staff enough folks for the end of the year. We still have some pilots on the street, but the return process has begun!

S.
 
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AWACOFF...you going back? that's great news!

seems like Eagle and CoEx are the only ones still holding off on recalls...
 

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Beechnut,
That's great news to hear...unfortunately I am number 7 for recall and I have heard nothing about this. If they have begun recalling, they have not told the furloughees about it. Thank you for the info however. I hope it is true. I need to finish up my skydiving license ASAP if this is true.

Steve

Update: I was on the Air Willy pilots forum. A management person who is keeps us (pilots) in the loop has posted that a Pilot Information File (PIF) was issued that stated 18 total recalls starting in late July. This is not concrete obviously as things are subject to change at any time. I won't get my hopes up until I am sitting in recurrent. June 15th furloughees were told that the airline was properly staffed with no recalls until the fall. We have already been told that we would be recalled in June. Notice how fast things change? It's hard to be optimistic anymore. Thanks for the kind words Positive Rate. If anybody is looking for a Jump Pilot job, there may be an opening in Green Bay, WI. 500TT minimum. C182s. Our new pilot is doing great...be just like him and get paid to have fun!
 
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It is true

If I remember correctly from the update the first 10 recalls will be in class on July 29 to be on line by August the 19th. This is to free up some other people to go to RJ training. The class will be shortened since almost all the furloughees have all had a PC within the last year. Get some study material from Appleton if you can. A lot has changed recently with the QRH in the 328 and all. The furlough hot line is late if the news is not on it now. I guess ALPA was just notified like Thursday night. Welcome back and hopefully this is just the start of a large amount of growth for AWAC. Look forward to flying with you all.
 

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Bac Jets?

I also heard that all displaced 146 Captains/FO's will be back in the 146. Also, a possibilty of acquiring 4 Avro RJ-85's. Air Wis is looking to send 4 of the oldest 146's back to BAe and there just happen to be 4 Avro's available. It's all just speculation at this point though.

Cheers,

Skyking:cool:
 

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I also heard that all displaced 146 Captains/FO's will be back in the 146. Also, a possibilty of acquiring 4 Avro RJ-85's. Air Wis is looking to send 4 of the oldest 146's back to BAe and there just happen to be 4 Avro's available. It's all just speculation at this point though.

Sheesh, where'd you hear that? I doubt we'll dump four aircraft to bring in different aircraft and start a new fleet. Our BAE-146's are NOT RJ-85's. You don't jump from one into another one. And not to beat a dead horse, but why would we start a new fleet with an aircraft that isn't built anymore?

Go find your source and bother them frequently.

S.
 

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Our BAE-146's are NOT RJ-85's. You don't jump from one into another one. And not to beat a dead horse, but why would we start a new fleet with an aircraft that isn't built anymore?

It is obvious that you do not fly that particular aircraft, sir. Ask any of the 146 drivers why their license says - Avro RJ/146 Series-

Nowhere did I mention about starting a new fleet. Only replacing aging aircraft with newer ones.

And by the way my source is very reliable. Anyway, I thought I had mentioned it was only speculation at this point.

Keep your stick on the ice!

Skyking
 

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True! I don't fly it! ...not to get into a pissing contest.... but forget what their certificates say, they are not the same airplane. Bringing in RJ-85's requires training for the 146 crews. Setting up a training program is expensive and you have to wonder if it is worth doing for 4 aircraft. The RJ-85's are glass, the 146's are not. They do have some differences in systems too!

Enough!

S.
 

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It is nice to hear these positive rumors about AWAC and things are definitely looking up. However, some truth to this AVRO rumor could be flying around. I heard from a management pilot that they have looked at the AVRO but that does not mean anything, remember Bombardier looked at Dornier. They dont call the BAC the bacasaurus for nothing. They do have to replace some aging airplanes with something. Some of the old Bae146's are mx hogs and cost a lot to keep up. I think by law AVRO/BAe has to provide support for like twenty-five years or something even if the aircraft are out of rproduction. Don't quote me on that.
 

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You also forgot to mention that it looks like the company will start new hire classes before the year is out. The current aircraft delivery schedule shows a short fall in pilots :)
 

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I didn't forget. That information wasn't given to us when I made the original post. It looks as though we'll be training furloughies for 2.5 months starting at the end of July. After they are back, we'll need more folks. I didn't post it here when I heard this news yesterday because plans change and I was waiting to see if I could learn more about it.

I don't know how many we'll need, when we'll start interviewing or what our hiring mins are right now.

S.
 

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Flew with a MGT pilot the other day and as far as mins for new hires they won't be far off what we look at now. He said that to get an interview best bet is to be refered by a current pilot. In any case, OTS or not, they will look for totals in the region of 2000TT, 1000 PIC (or current 121), 500MEL, & ATP.
 

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Air Wisconsin and the other UAX carriers will be getting lots of CRJs and lots of UAL mainline routes in the near future. The recalls and hiring must start soon to prepare for this.
 

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questions, questions...

Hi everyone, I've got a bunch of questions if anyone has the time (and answers)...

I've been patiently waiting for something to happen at SkyWest, but things are looking further and further distant there. I'm still not in the pool yet, although I had previously hoped to be swimming soon. Now who knows? SkyWest was appealing for many reasons including California domiciles. Now that Air Wisconsin may be hiring soon, I think I need to explore further.

Here are my questions:

1. Possibility of a new California domicile with expanded western routes?? (if not, then commute feasibility from SF Bay Area)

2. Pay the first few years -- I've seen the previous contract posts, but what does it work out to "all in" per month, roughly

3. upgrade time

4. equipment likely for new hires

5. Typical schedule. Is it possible to have a family life outside of the job (especially when the family is back in CA)?

Thanks in advance,
BW
 

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I signed my intent to return from recall yesterday. I also recieved all of my manuals on Monday. This certainly appears to be the real deal. I also just got my license for real flying...giddyup!
 

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Re: questions, questions...

Here are my questions:

1. Possibility of a new California domicile with expanded western routes?? (if not, then commute feasibility from SF Bay Area)

There are continued rumors of both a LAX & IAD base. But being a private company we won't know until the week before.

2. Pay the first few years -- I've seen the previous contract posts, but what does it work out to "all in" per month, roughly

If you sit reserve then it will work out about $1800/mth. Line holding $2350 1st year. 2nd year line holder $3240 give or take at todays contract. Expect about 80 credit hours and 280 TAFB.

3. upgrade time

It has slowed down since 9/11 obviously but was about 14-18 months. Now it is about 2 years. however that is because we have reduced the doorknobs and 146's but have only recieved 14 out of 75 RJ's so it will pick back up. Probably about the same for most regionals I suspect.

4. equipment likely for new hires

95% chance of the RJ.

5. Typical schedule. Is it possible to have a family life outside of the job (especially when the family is back in CA)?

Varies, but around 3 on 4 off. Although of late screw schedulling have been doing 4 on 3 off. Most lines are commutable. Averaging about 14 - 15 days off a month.
 
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Question? If they have only recalled 18 out of the 39 then how can they resume hiring? Someone previously had mentioned about three months after the first recalls, but the other 19 have to get the call as well, right? Thanks
 

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Once the recalls start, things will probably move pretty fast. The chief pilot told me they expect everybody to be recalled by fall. Withe ASSUMPTION that nothing bad happens and that deliveries stay on schedule, AWAC will have to start hiring again.
 

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Just curious, who has the better contract right now, AirWis or Comair?
 

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Hard to say since I don't know details of Comairs contract. I do know that we got better pay but don't know by how much. I think a couple of bucks and hour. A lot more than pay is involved in a good contract. You could get all the pay in the world but not have a life. That would suck. At AWAC I have no complaints but you would have to ask details for that question if you really want to have it answered.
 
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