Air New Zealand

[AlohaFlyer]

I spoke with the recruiter from ANZ yesterday and it sounds like they will be hiring in 2008...

I am looking forward to applying... just got my Class 1 Medical from an examiner in Arizona...

Now I need to convert my FAA ATPL...

Anyone got any tips on what I need to do to change to the CAA ATPL from New Zealand?

I also got the work permit all set...

 

[J D]

Aloha,

Congrats, it sounds like you are well on your way.

As far as the conversion to the ATPL...I am in that process myself. I assume you have looked at the CAA website where it details the requirments. If not I can send you the link. In a nutshell.... if you have 500 hours PIC or 1000 hours SIC in a commercial enviroment since the awarding of your original FAA ATP all you will be required to do is the ATPL Air Law examination. Otherwise you will have to sit all 7 exams, major a$$ pain there.

You say you have the work permit...You do have permanent residency/citizenship right?? If you only have a work VISA you will be ineligible.

Was your AZ class 1 medical a NZ class 1? If so I need to find a doctor closer to CO to do the same thing. Otherwise I'll just do it next month while I'm down there.

The next time you talk to Margie tell her I said hello.

Good Luck...
JD

 

[AlohaFlyer]

The only NZ Medical Examiner in the US is:
David Bryman
Phoenix, AZ
flydoc85d @ msn.com

He is a really nice guy...

That is good to know about the 500 PIC or 1000 SIC time since my ATP... I will work on getting that before I try to convert.

I did find the site and need to contact them to get the approval for the conversion.

Yes I did get the residency and work permit. It takes about 1 year. I am in the 2nd phase of it and hope to be done with it soon.

Thanks for your help. I will update my progress here... please stay in touch.

RP

 

[J D]

Thanks Aloha,

I tracked down the doc yesterday. Found his info on the NZ CAA site. I have an appoinment set.

I was real lucky. My PR only took 3 months. I'm heading down next month to work on my conversion, not quite as easy since most of my time is military.

Youv'e picked a good time to apply. As well as the expansion there are lots of retirements coming up in the next few years.

Good Luck,
JD

 

[AlohaFlyer]

JD,

When you go down there... which flight school are you going to? How much do you think it will cost you for the training.. I did find an Air Law study guide that I might buy and study for... then head down and sit the exam. I wish there was a place in the states to sit that exam.

Its good to know I got someone doing the same thing as me... we'll have to keep sharing ideas on how to get there...

Cheers,

Ryan

 

[J D]

Ryan.

Check your PM's

 

[ozpilot]

In a nutshell.... if you have 500 hours PIC or 1000 hours SIC in a commercial enviroment since the awarding of your original FAA ATP all you will be required to do is the ATPL Air Law examination. Otherwise you will have to sit all 7 exams, major a$$ pain there.
JD

You also have to pass a flight check correct? from this document:
http://www.caa.govt.nz/pilots/Flight_Crew_Recognition_Info.pdf

"2. When ASL has confirmed that the applicant is eligible for the NZ recognition provisions,
applicants will be required to:
• Complete the issue of a NZ Class 1 Medical Certificate, and
• Pass a NZ ATPL Air Law written examination, and
• Pass an ATPL issue flight test with a Civil Aviation Authority or an approved airline
flight examiner, then;"

I did find an Air Law study guide that I might buy and study for..

Ryan

Ryan, can you tell us where you found the guide? I'm assuming its not a Gleim publication

 

[J D]

OZ. you are correct. However, if you get hired by Air NZ your sim check will count as the CAA checkride/type rating. All Air NZ requires to be hired is a CPL and ATPL exams complete. Obviously a full ATPL would be better.

Cheers,

 

[sat74]

How does one get a work/residency visa in NZ?

 

[J D]

I am married to a Kiwi, makes it a bit easier.

Generally a work permit is fairly easy to get. However Air NZ requires a residency permit, not so easy to get. Lots of paperwork and was over a grand in fees.

Google "Immigration New Zealand" for better details.

You will have to ask Aloha how he qualified.

Cheers,
JD

 

[AlohaFlyer]

What I did was go to the website:
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/

There are a couple of steps:

1 - Submit an "Expression of Interest" - Approved in 7 days based in a point system
2 - Selected in to a pool of potential applicants - Approved in 4 months
3 - Invited to apply - Approved in 9 months

My wife and I did it together and we have no family in NZ that we listed... she has tons of cousins but no immediate family there that helps.

All in all it takes a little over a year to do and about $1000 USD.

Let me know if you need any more help with the residency and work permit part.

-RP

 

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[ozpilot]

Thanks J D and AlohaFlyer

I'm an Australian citizen so I already have the right to work in New Zealand. Now getting hired by Air New Zealand - thats another story!

 

[J D]

Why do you say that? It looks like you be very qualified?

 

[J D]

Deleted...double post

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

I have heard from many Kiwi colleagues (flying for CX) that it's possible to sit as an S/O for up to 10 years in Air New Zealand and that time to command is 20 years or more!!

Not that it's important, but salary is shoddy too.

Small fleet, dead man shoes syndrome. Have you any mates in ANZ AlohaFlyer?

 

[J D]

I had heard that as well, however I've also heard that over 50% of the pilots are 55 plus. I hope that's true. Expansion + retirements, it should get better.

 

[ApM]

Slow upgrades and rotten pay...Sounds like the US industry these days.

 

[J D]

According to a few friends who are there, it is starting to improve and they are expecting much quicker upgrade times in the near future.

 

[spitfire1500]

How does one get a work/residency visa in NZ?

You need to have New Zealand citizenship to fly for Air NZ ( at least in 1995 you did). I learned to fly there and at the time I only had residency and got my citizenship later on.
Its a beautiful place to live. I would recommend doing any flight training at a Royal New Zealand Aero Club http://www.flyingnz.co.nz/ (they are all over the place and great for training ) they tend to cost a lot less than the flight schools for training. I was in Ardmore fFying School doing my writtens and one of their twins (Duchess) was shared by an an Aero club on the same field (Waitemata Aero Club) for about a 3rd less on the cost and a more experienced instructor (Neil Hyland)....they had a great bar too.
I would recommend Southland Aero club or Southern Districts Aero Club down in the deep South (Invercargill and Gore). Things tend to cost less down there ( and they have Speights). I have been through tons of training events since flying and the best instructor I have ever had is down there, a guy named Bryan Jones.

 

[J D]

Good call on many fronts Spitfire!! Both Southland Aero Club and Speights are top notch!! My wife's cousin is one of the instructors at Southern Wings / Southland Aero. He has been there for years. You are right about the cost of living etc. in Invercargill/Southland. Much cheaper then around Auckland etc. I plan on settling somewhere in the deep south, just not sure exactly where.

Things have changed a bit since '95, Now you you can work for Air NZ as long you have residency. Luckily I am finished with that process. So
who are you flying for now?

Cheers,
JD

 

[spitfire1500]

Good call on many fronts Spitfire!! Both Southland Aero Club and Speights are top notch!! My wife's cousin is one of the instructors at Southern Wings / Southland Aero. He has been there for years. You are right about the cost of living etc. in Invercargill/Southland. Much cheaper then around Auckland etc. I plan on settling somewhere in the deep south, just not sure exactly where.

Things have changed a bit since '95, Now you you can work for Air NZ as long you have residency. Luckily I am finished with that process. So
who are you flying for now?

Cheers,
JD

Im on this ugly duckling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747_Large_Cargo_Freighter

 

[J D]

Wow...I never knew that thing existed. I must admit I like it!! You must have an interesting career path to find your way there.

 

[blzr]

You need to have New Zealand citizenship to fly for Air NZ ( at least in 1995 you did).

I wish they would make that a requirement here in the U.S. Too. Maybe we would have better (?) upgrade times here too.

 

[DC10]

Wow. We actually reached 24 posts before somebody started posting the usual American xenophobic, anti-foreigner opinions.

How about all other countries ban Americans from flying there? Not such a good idea when the tables are turned, is it?

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

Well, if it happened in HKG, CX would cease to exist as 90% of the aircrew are "gweilos". Wake up mate, we work in a "global Village" these days...

 

[J D]

Well, if it happened in HKG, CX would cease to exist as 90% of the aircrew are "gweilos". Wake up mate, we work in a "global Village" these days...

Amen!

 

[blzr]

Wow. We actually reached 24 posts before somebody started posting the usual American xenophobic, anti-foreigner opinions.

How about all other countries ban Americans from flying there? Not such a good idea when the tables are turned, is it?

Go apply at British Airways, Quanta, Air New Zealand, Lufthansa, South African Airways, most Scandinavian carriers, ET. Al. I have flown with pilots from all these countries, except New Zealand. They come here and have no problem going to flight school or working for an airline.

Why can these countries REQUIRE citizenship for pilots (some countries require that you were actually born there) and it is cool. If an American Pilot suggests that we do the same here in America, He is a racist, a biggot, and otherwise unworldly person??? Personally, I could care less. Just make it fair. If a pilot from New Zealand, or anywhere else comes here to get a job, their country must be open to Americans going to their country for the same purpose.

 

[DC10]

Please get your facts straight. No European major airline requires a pilot to be a citizen of that country in order to fly there. They simply require the same that is required of non-Americans flying in the US, namely the legal right to live and work in that country and a license from that country. No different to the requirements for flying in the USA.

Over the years I have known 2 Americans flying for BA, 2 flying for EasyJet, 1 flying for Finnair and another flying for Air France. All are or were legally working at these airlines because of their marriage to Europeans. I even knew a Brit flying for South African Airways, and there are thousands of non-local citizens flying in the Middle East and Asia.

Don't think for a second that any non-American can simply show up in the US and apply for a job here without being either a naturalized citizen or a legal permanent resident. The only way to obtain these is through marriage to an American or from birth in the USA. Believe me, as a Brit living and working in the US legally due to my American wife for the past 13 years, I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Kenny]

Go apply at British Airways, Quanta, Air New Zealand, Lufthansa, South African Airways, most Scandinavian carriers, ET. Al. I have flown with pilots from all these countries, except New Zealand. They come here and have no problem going to flight school or working for an airline.

Why can these countries REQUIRE citizenship for pilots (some countries require that you were actually born there) and it is cool. If an American Pilot suggests that we do the same here in America, He is a racist, a biggot, and otherwise unworldly person??? Personally, I could care less. Just make it fair. If a pilot from New Zealand, or anywhere else comes here to get a job, their country must be open to Americans going to their country for the same purpose.

This post is just wrong on so many factual levels;

Name one of the companies above that requires citizenship of the home country to be employed.....In fact apart from Eire, I can't think of one of those countries, namely the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, South Africa or even Scandanavia, that actually requires you to be have been born in them, to be a citizen. I'm a citizen of 2 of them, having never been born in either....

I personally know of 3 Americans who fly for Qantas. All ex-military and married to Aussie women. Get the right to live and work in another country, get that country's license and you too can apply for a job. It's no different than it is here......

And for the love of god there's no "U" in QANTAS!!!!!!