AGI Endorsement

[Booker]

Maybe a silly question, but I'm wondering whether one needs an endorsement to take the AGI written. 61.213 doesn't mention one.

Thanks!
B

 

[avbug]

Nope.

 

[RedheadCFI]

Booker,...

You sure don't need an endorsement for it unless you fail it then you need one to take it again. However, you do need to do the FOI before you can get the AGI certificate.
-Nick

 

[Booker]

Thanks. Now for a followup, Gleim says application for a ground instructor certificate must be made directly to the FSDO; DEs can't issue it. Is this correct?

Thanks again,
B

 

[bobbysamd]

AGI issuance

That is correct. Complete an 8710 and take it with your airman written test reports to your local FSDO and you will be issued a ground instructor temporary.

 

[Booker]

Re: AGI issuance

...take it with your airman written test reports...

But my CFI certificate should sub for my old FOI report, right? Just want to be sure I've got everything in order before I make the 70-mile trip to G-man land.

Thx,
B

 

[bobbysamd]

AGI issuance

But my CFI certificate should sub for my old FOI report, right?

Absolutely. Your CFI is proof that you've taken the FOI. Just pull out your CFI when you turn in your written test report and 8710 and you'll have no problems.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Booker,...

You sure don't need an endorsement for it unless you fail it then you need one to take it again. However, you do need to do the FOI before you can get the AGI certificate.
-Nick

So someone can just take the FOI & AGI written and receive the AGI ticket?

 

[MarineGrunt]

So someone can just take the FOI & AGI written and receive the AGI ticket?

If they are not a CFI, then they need to have a certain amount of other teaching experience. I'm too lazy to walk 5 feet to pick up the Regs, but it's in part 61.

 

[avbug]

Negative. No teaching experience required. Adequate teaching experience will take the place of needing to take the Fundamentals of Instruction exam (FOI)...but if one takes the FOI, no teaching experience is required.

One need no flight experience, no aviation experience; nothing. One need only take the FOI, and either the AGI or IGI (AGI provides the same privileges as the BGI plus, and therefore there is little or no point in taking the BGI). The applicant is then granted the privilege to teach any aviation subject required for a certificate or rating.

The IGI is specifically needed to endorse an applicant for the Instrument knowledge exam.

 

[MarineGrunt]

I stand corrected. Think I got it confused with some of the requirements for the Master CFI program...

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Having the AGI or IGI certificate is also one of the requirements when it comes time to get your Gold Seal CFI certificate. (hopefully someday)

 

[bobbysamd]

Ground instructor certificate requirements

So someone can just take the FOI & AGI written and receive the AGI ticket?

Not to be redundant, but, yes.

In my case, at my instructor's insistence, which turned out to be very wise, I took the BGI written not long after I took the Private written. It was the exact, same exam, but with more questions. Then, I squeaked by on the FOI written. I took both written test reports to FSDO, which had my complete an 8710, and I left with my BGI temporary.

I believe there is a provision in 14 CFR 61 that exempts certified teachers from the FOI requirement. Maybe that's where the confusion lies on the teaching experience issue.

 

[highflying]

If I take the test and get the AGI doesnt that mean I can also teach instruments students, so then I dont need to take the IGI do I?

 

[CFI'er]

You can't sign-off a student to take the instrument written unless you hold a CFII or IGI.

 

[nosehair]

Woah! That's what I used to think, but a post on another site woke me up to the new FAR on Ground Instructors.
61.215(b) now says an Advanced Ground Instructor can give the required ground training and endorsements for the knowkedge test for ANY CERTIFICATE OR RATING ISSUED UNDER THIS PART.

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

Please provide a link to the aforementioned amendment. I have not seen or found an amendment to § 61.215(b). The section still indicates that an AGI can give, "a recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of any certificate under this part." As an Instrument Rating is not a certificate, an AGI cannot give the recommendation for the knowledge test, however, they can provide the "ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of any certificate or rating under this part."

Regards

 

[bobbysamd]

Ground instructor training v. ground instructor signoffs

If I take the test and get the AGI doesnt that mean I can also teach instruments students, so then I dont need to take the IGI do I?

You can hold anything you want to hold to teach instrument ground and sim. You have to hold the appropriate ground instructor ratings in order to sign off your students for writtens.

You have to read through 14 CFR 61.215 in its entirety to understand the privileges given under each ground instructor rating. In particular, 14 CFR 61.215(d) provides clarification:

Sec. 61.215 - Ground instructor privileges.

(a) A person who holds a basic ground instructor rating is authorized to provide:

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of a recreational pilot certificate, private pilot certificate, or associated ratings under this part;

(2) Ground training required for a recreational pilot and private pilot flight review; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of a recreational pilot certificate or private pilot certificate under this part.

(b) A person who holds an advanced ground instructor rating is authorized to provide:

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of any certificate or rating under this part;

(2) Ground training required for any flight review; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of any certificate under this part.

(c) A person who holds an instrument ground instructor rating is authorized to provide:

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of an instrument rating under this part;

(2) Ground training required for an instrument proficiency check; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of an instrument rating under this part.

(d) A person who holds a ground instructor certificate is authorized, within the limitations of the ratings on the ground instructor certificate, to endorse the logbook or other training record of a person to whom the holder has provided the training or recommendation specified in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this section.

(emphasis added)

So, perhaps any ground instructor can provide any kind of instruction. But it takes an appropriately-rated ground instructor to provide the signoff.

Hope that helps a little.

PS-If you hold a Basic Ground Instructor certificate and take and pass the Instrument Ground Instructor written, you will be issued a Ground Instructor certificate with Advanced and Instrument ratings upon presentation of your written test report and 8710 to the FAA. You will not have to take the AGI written.

 

[IFlyOU]

Be sure to call FSDO and make an appoitment before you go... I found that out the hard way. That wasted a good 3 hours of my day...