Age Sixxty Five

[rajflyboy]

Mixed feelings if this happens

for the ones that came here with FULL pensions from the majors... it’s time for you to go.. you have taken more than you have given from this career. For the 79 year olds... it’s time to go

for the others who did not have massive retirements from somewhere else or had to take early outs ... I feel bad that you folks may be behind a bit on your retirement plans or may not get to finish your careers in the manner you wanted too

 

[jetwash]

How many pilots will be affected by this rule at NJ ?

 

[rajflyboy]

Not sure the number but I will guess around 300

 

[CALRepublic]

I'm all for it

"for the ones that came here with FULL pensions from the majors... it’s time for you to go.. you have taken more than you have given from this career. For the 79 year olds... it’s time to go"

Agree.

1- For some of you in your late 60s, and most of you in your 70s, you have to understand and accept that YOU ARE NOT good at this anymore.

2-You had a good career, you had your glory, hang it up and allow a young guy to have a shot at one.. Don't postpone retirement until you start failing check rides, or you notice people calling in sick just to avoid flying with you. This rule should take care of that

3- I'm sure most of You old dudes understand that the company has the burden of finding and keeping enough qualify pilots to crew the aircraft, and this age 65 rule will make this place a bit more attractive

4- How do you think our passengers feel every time they see a 70 year old jump in the cockpit? I heard owners have complained about that, I and think we all agree it should've never come to that

 

[ghostrider64]

This effort has nothing to do with ability, and everything to do with finding a way to reduce payroll...easy Pickens by axing 300 then backfilling with year 1 FOs, of they can find enough to work there...

As for the above from CAL, any day you wish to try and out fly my ass just say so, I’m all in...you’re probably one of those that can’t fly a visual approach without flying formation with the command bars. IDIOT!

 

[rajflyboy]

This effort has nothing to do with ability, and everything to do with finding a way to reduce payroll...easy Pickens by axing 300 then backfilling with year 1 FOs, of they can find enough to work there...

As for the above from CAL, any day you wish to try and out fly my ass just say so, I’m all in...you’re probably one of those that can’t fly a visual approach without flying formation with the command bars. IDIOT!

Well

you should have told your 79 year old brothers to give it up. They are the ones screwing it up for the 65 to 70 year old crowd that is honestly trying to build up the retirement a little more.

 

[rajflyboy]

Something that is not being said here... “More than half the pilots “SUPPORT” the age 65 rule”

 

[imacdog]

How many pilots will be affected by this rule at NJ ?

Everyone is affected. We will all go from the ability to fly past 65, to having that decision made for us. Perhaps if we weren't literally having people flying until they stroke out on the job, the age issue wouldn't be on the company's radar, but, this is the reality we face.

 

[rajflyboy]

True iMAC

but the 65 rule has already hurt us in the 121 world

65 rule meant many of us were not hired into good desirable jobs

 

[rajflyboy]

NETJETS Pilots should vote on the Age 65 rule and make it part of the CBA

 

[Pervis]

NETJETS Pilots should vote on the Age 65 rule and make it part of the CBA

It would never be put to a vote if were limited to the restrictions of collective bargaining. That little obstruction called Duty of Fair Representation and all. No one has a choice if legislated by Congress.

How one group can be labeled as unsafe due to number of operations while others flying under the same rules are not is blatantly discriminatory. The odds of Congress not including every single Part 91/91K/135 operator is not good. This treasure hunt by Netjets management could very well hit not only Netjets, but everyone else.

 

[rajflyboy]

Age 65 for all professional pilots

I can certainly get on board with this as well !!!

Finally a win for our generation that was mostly left out of the good jobs in the industry.

Union would never let this get to a vote because they know most of us would vote to HAVE an age 65 rule !

 

[GooodLaaa]

Age 65 for all professional pilots

I can certainly get on board with this as well !!!

Finally a win for our generation that was mostly left out of the good jobs in the industry.

Union would never let this get to a vote because they know most of us would vote to HAVE an age 65 rule !

I disagree, I’m 40 and I don’t wanna be hamstrung later in life by restricting potential earnings. I will plan to be done by 65 or sooner, however the mear issue with not getting full social security retirement until 67 is a huge health insurance issue. (Assuming it’s still there, and I ain’t counting on it). I have seen many a person that was conservative with their money and not living outside their means and life happens. If 65 goes through it initially is a benefit to younger guys, but down the road, we may all regret its implementation.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

I'll agree with the age 65 rule when we also start legislating fatness. There are some serious porkers out there.

I'd rather fly with a fit 70 year old than a fat a$$ 50 year old any day of the week.

 

[rajflyboy]

I disagree, I’m 40 and I don’t wanna be hamstrung later in life by restricting potential earnings. I will plan to be done by 65 or sooner, however the mear issue with not getting full social security retirement until 67 is a huge health insurance issue. (Assuming it’s still there, and I ain’t counting on it). I have seen many a person that was conservative with their money and not living outside their means and life happens. If 65 goes through it initially is a benefit to younger guys, but down the road, we may all regret its implementation.

If you are 40 and aren’t at a major already you have been hamstrung by the system and your income potential is already reduced.

 

[GooodLaaa]

If you are 40 and aren’t at a major already you have been hamstrung by the system and your income potential is already reduced.

More of the not commuting thing that will impact the income potential. The non-121 thing is by choice, have never put an app in to a 121 carrier since I was a CFI. I realize the top end money is more at airlines, there is no doubt. However commuting, furloughs, crashpads, airport cars etc is a pain in the arse.

 

[rajflyboy]

I’m going to assume that opportunities were not there to get into the top echelon of 121 Jobs until recently. Unfortunately and to no fault of anyone in this generation.

 

[AirBear8]

The proposed age limit has been bumped to 70 now. It's a separate amendment to the FAA bill by Rep. Gibbs (R-OH). Management offered a deal to the Union that if the union would endorse and lobby for age 70 the company would drop support for age 65. After consulting lawyers the Union accepted. If it gets thru the process in this form the final vote probably won't happen until late summer. And there's a 1 year implementation period, so late summer/early fall 2019 the over age 70 pilots at NJA will get the boot. A lot still could happen thou.

 

[rajflyboy]

Age 70 now

Why don’t they make up their minds? :smash:

And why doesn’t njasap use this as a negotiating tool ?

or is this just another Company/Union love session like 2015 was?

 

[AirBear8]

Age 70 now

Why don’t they make up their minds? :smash:



And why doesn’t njasap use this as a negotiating tool ?

or is this just another Company/Union love session like 2015 was?

They can't use potential legislation as a contract negotiating tool, that's illegal.

I think the company needed 70 because age 65 would cost too many pilots and they'd be unable to cover the schedule. Down the road there's a big retirement surge coming at NJA just like the 3 majors have now. But the age 70 doesn't save nearly as much money on MLOA pilots as 65 would have. Or it could be the age 65 was in trouble and they needed age 70 and union PAC support to get anything done.

I still think it's total BS the way this is targeted to affect just 1 company. Should apply to all turbojet 135.