Age limit will increase to 67 by years end.

[PBRstreetgang]

Based on your apathetic take on things, I take it you don't vote either. Probably a good thing. I did reserves my last 10 so no pension for awhile if ever. So lets discuss this "one way" entitlement you like to bring up. Just who feels they are entitled? The young FO at Skywest who will be stagnated or the older Delta FO who will enjoy 5-10 years of stagnation caused by age increases? OR, maybe the old guy who just can't hang it up like all those before him did. Just maybe the age 65 guy, who got a 5 year windfall feels entitled to another 5 years on the backs of those behind him. In case you didn't know, this is a bulletin board designed to discuss issues. If you are upset over what you perceive as whining, go somewhere else where everyone plays with unicorns and dances in green fields under bright rainbows. Or come here for reality and listen to what others are thinking. For the record, I am ok with age 65. Just not an extension.

For the record, I am active in local politics, yes I am a community organizer. So yes I do a bit more than just vote. I might suggest reading more closely, you and your ilk are whining and complaining about the gummers and lack of career progression, not me. Are you really that clueless? The age 65 was pushed by industry, not pilots, when in the history of this industry has management or the business community been concerned for the welfare of its employees? DAL/UAL/AA have how many different fleets? Do the math very carefully and calculate how many training events are required to replace one 747 Captain. The industry is driving this and it has nothing with entitlement, greed of gummers or keeping you down, cash plain and simple, its cheaper to keep your gummers in their seats than pay train the resulting transition costs for your career progression.
Boom! You wanna hate, hate the managers at your favorite airline, this is their plan, you and I are just pawns in that game, and if sacrificing your financial health keeps their costs lower by even a miniscule amount you will be swinging gear until that gummer's wheelchair wont fit through the cockpit door.

 

[flyboyike]

....you will be swinging gear until that gummer's wheelchair wont fit through the cockpit door.

They'll just make smaller wheelchairs, no worries.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

They'll just make smaller wheelchairs, no worries.

I wonder how much they save by keeping all the resultant pilots at a lower pay scale? Airline cost structures show labor as 40% of their operating costs, if they can shave a percentage point from the 40% number it amounts to millions. So while you shower your fellow employees with contempt for doing nothing more than doing what they like to do, realize you will be in the same position sooner or later, trying to make up for lost/delayed opportunities, while the MPL F/O posts on F/I III, about the gummer clogging up his path to wealth.

 

[Mamma]

For the record, I am active in local politics, yes I am a community organizer. So yes I do a bit more than just vote. I might suggest reading more closely, you and your ilk are whining and complaining about the gummers and lack of career progression, not me. Are you really that clueless? The age 65 was pushed by industry, not pilots, when in the history of this industry has management or the business community been concerned for the welfare of its employees? DAL/UAL/AA have how many different fleets? Do the math very carefully and calculate how many training events are required to replace one 747 Captain. The industry is driving this and it has nothing with entitlement, greed of gummers or keeping you down, cash plain and simple, its cheaper to keep your gummers in their seats than pay train the resulting transition costs for your career progression.
Boom! You wanna hate, hate the managers at your favorite airline, this is their plan, you and I are just pawns in that game, and if sacrificing your financial health keeps their costs lower by even a miniscule amount you will be swinging gear until that gummer's wheelchair wont fit through the cockpit door.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. This thread is about increasing the retirement age to 67....not rehashing 65. I will say again, I have no issue with age 65. I am against increasing it. I bear no malice towards the guys who stay until 65. They got a windfall and we paid for it. The young guys you berate as selfish and greedy should not have to pay again.

 

[SIG600]

Do you need a hug? Ribbon?

Here's an excerpt from the recent Time Magazine article entitled "The Me Me Me Generation":

"The incidence of narcissistic personality disorder is nearly three times as high for people in their 20s as for the generation that?s now 65 or older, according to the National Institutes of Health; 58% more college students scored higher on a narcissism scale in 2009 than in 1982. Millennials got so many participation trophies growing up that a recent study showed that 40% believe they should be promoted every two years, regardless of performance."

You want the brass ring, stomp your feet and whine like a puppy fresh off the teat, that will make it happen quicker.....

Agree. Glad there's more than a decade (and 20+ years of flying) between me and that group. Makes me miss the 80's that much more.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. This thread is about increasing the retirement age to 67....not rehashing 65. I will say again, I have no issue with age 65. I am against increasing it. I bear no malice towards the guys who stay until 65. They got a windfall and we paid for it. The young guys you berate as selfish and greedy should not have to pay again.

^^^Gets it^^^

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. This thread is about increasing the retirement age to 67....not rehashing 65. I will say again, I have no issue with age 65. I am against increasing it. I bear no malice towards the guys who stay until 65. They got a windfall and we paid for it. The young guys you berate as selfish and greedy should not have to pay again.

You haven' paid for anything, the upgrade isn't yours until you have the seniority to hold it. Age 65,67,70 whatever, you won't discuss the merits of the why theory I posted, most likely because it's too close to the truth for most. I didn't like 65 and most certainly don't like 67, but you are like most Millenials, unable to read the writing on the wall. You are selfish and greedy, that's ok, you fit in with almost every other airline pilot out there. Airline management will use that weakness against you like they have done in the past, and will again in the future. The industry if nothing else is predictable, and even more so are the pilots, most would sell their first born to get off of reserve. Most are petty and predictable, quite sad. You think that because you fly airplanes for a living you have the brass ring in your grubby little paw, news flash you are just worker bee/drones to be sacrificed at the first hint of financial winter.
You want guarantees? Buy a nice set of Mud and Snow tires.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

i've served 20 hard years in the military

............
mos?

 

[laker4284]

You guys are all wrapped about a NON issue. As Mamma said, this thread is about RAISING the age to 67. ALL the evidence points to this NOT being on the table - not in Congress, not within the FAA, not in corporate offices.

Forget the ginned-up "notice" supposedly from the FAA. As has been pointed out, it's a (poorly done) remake of the FAA notice in early 2007. The docket # is bogus. There s no "notice of proposed rulemaking". There is no aviation rulemaking committee (ARC), as is required by law. You really should have able to figure that out w/o all the angst. I mean SURELY you know better than to believe some random bs from an FAA inspector. They like to hear themselves talk. They know little or nothing about what's going on in the upper offices.

Congress? Go to Thomas.gov and see if there has been a bill to change the age (again) introduced. There is nothing. Heads Up: Bookmark that site. If you hear a rumor you can dispell or confirm it there. Any bill, with ts co sponsors, will be there. If some guy says he's been in some congressional office and heard good things, maybe he did. Staffers are great at schmoozing you, telling you what you want to hear. Has the congressman introduced or co sponsored a bill? If not, it's all bs.

The various pilot unions (ALPA, APA, SWAPA and CAPA) ALL agree that there is nothing out there. That's about the ONLY time they have been in unified agreement. If their GAC committees hear nothing - well - there IS nothing.

You're being snookered. Played.

There's much that is factually wrong or misleading in this thread. But...the one thing that you can count on is that 67 is not in play any time soon.

 

[laker4284]

I've touched base with some friends that are tight with some of the leading members of ICAO. Nothing going on there, either. The one thing in play is that ICAO will likely pass an amendment that will allow BOTH pilots to be 60-64. The supporting documents speak to the fact that there have been NO med issues with pilots over 60, and that the "odds" (statistical probability) of an age-related medical crisis leading to an incident or accident are VERY small. You wouldn't want to play those odds in Vegas.

If I can figure out how to get the ICAO PDF on here, I will.

 

[laker4284]

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