Age 70 being discussed

[rettofly]

as long as it is true
I think this reinforces how true it is. BTW If things work out for you, you also may be a geezer someday.

Funny, but when I was in my thirties, it never occurred to me that I might be a geezer some day. I also thought that I was smarter than all the geezers had ever been or would ever be.

Perspective is everything!

 

[LongBeachTrijet]

As long as the medicals are passed, I am fine with age 70. However, a fence needs to be installed that any more rule changes regarding mandatory retirement does not result in furloughs. If it does, then 65+ pilots need to hang their hats.

 

[acaTerry]

Not gonna happen. Age 65 was a "Bush deal" and Obama (whether you voted for him or not, that is not the point...) ain't gonna extend it.

That's because Nobama doesn't create jobs. He's what?...3 yrs in office and we're STILL over 10% unemployment?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose.

 

[hou757]

65 should be as high as it goes.

 

[rettofly]

65 should be as high as it goes.

How about having mandatory retirement at the age of eligibility for full SS pension (currently a sliding scale up to age 67). Since our glorious political establishment doesn't have the cojones to touch the third rail, that should put an end to the Age 70 speculation.

 

[pilotyip]

Start of age 60

There was no retirement age until Age 60 was forced on the pilots back in 1958 by the new FAA. ALPA was still fighting to get it repealed up until about 1970. This rule had nothing to do with safety; it was a deal between two W.W.II USAF Generals, AAL's C.R. Smith and Pete Quesada (sp.?) the first head of the FAA. It was a management/gov’t fix to screw pilots. It was to get rid of high paid pilots at the top of AAL the seniority list. It was done in the name of safety, because who can be against safety? It is like motherhood and patriotism. If we really want to do this retirement age correctly in the name of safety, we take the age of youngest pilot that experiences an in-flight incapacitation, say a heart attack at age 47, and that becomes the new retirement age.

 

[Kalifornia]

There was no retirement age until Age 60 was forced on the pilots back in 1958 by the new FAA. ALPA was still fighting to get it repealed up until about 1970. This rule had nothing to do with safety; it was a deal between two W.W.II USAF Generals, AAL's C.R. Smith and Pete Quesada (sp.?) the first head of the FAA. It was a management/gov’t fix to screw pilots. It was to get rid of high paid pilots at the top of AAL the seniority list. It was done in the name of safety, because who can be against safety? It is like motherhood and patriotism. If we really want to do this retirement age correctly in the name of safety, we take the age of youngest pilot that experiences an in-flight incapacitation, say a heart attack at age 47, and that becomes the new retirement age.

Your statistical analysis skills are nightmarish. Does that mean we also take the youngest person to pass an ATP and allow them to be the new min age? Experimenting with age extremes: just brilliant...

Jessica Dubroff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Dubroff



http://www.eaa.org/insurance/articles/2010-04-09_insurance.asp


Take away reasonable controls in place, and watch the good ole' boy network do its magic: Bob, that 17 year kid has no business passing a commercial checkride right now. Yea, but that's Roy's kid, give em' pass, they'll catch on. Hey Dale, concerned that 65 year old George was ultra slow on his last PC, maybe he should retire? Well, he still can drink his whiskey, there's no way I'm going to be the one to fail George, besides Fred, my 80 year old FAA medical flight surgeon neighbor gave em the thumbs up the other day.

 

[pilotyip]

But we are not talking safety, we are talking get out of my seat, it belongs to me.

 

[mxer]

Here is a thought. Extend the age, but move to the FO seat. Your experience will still be in the office as well as your love to fly. This will also free up the left seat for the junior pilot as well as give the option of staying around longer. Would this satisfy the career expectation while also helping in recovery of unforseen economic hardships? I understand both sides. Senior pilots had the ability of reaping rewards of previously senior pilots retirements. However, despite some that couldn't manage a roll of nickels in a cassino, most never saw the hit of lost pensions and horrible economy hitting at the worst possible time.

 

[Flyerdan]

And replace it with what? The buttkissing system? Whoever gets their monthly bid in first system?

You guys crack me up. You want the left seat so bad, you'll propose anything, forgetting that the alternate system you propose for your benefit could ultimately bite you in the butt.

You have heard of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" haven't you?

Seriously, Abe...what's your proposal?

P.S. I wonder how many of you young studs who are so outraged about the change in the retirement date will punch out at 60. After all, it was the law when you took your first flying lesson.

Perhaps they should find a compromise position like this: Do away with the mandatory retirement age but at age 60 you can no longer hold a First class medical forcing you back into the right seat and a SIC position. Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

 

[pilotyip]

Perhaps they should find a compromise position like this: Do away with the mandatory retirement age but at age 60 you can no longer hold a First class medical forcing you back into the right seat and a SIC position. Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

great idea!!

 

[flyboyike]

# 1, why do you assume all old Captains are broke?

#2, why can't your believe in your deluded little minds that some people actually enjoy working?

#3, not everyone is as lazy as some members of your generation, where they want to sit home on their fat ass collecting a pension/social security check.

How about actually answering my question?

 

[flyboyike]

great idea!!

It is, actually, but the geezers will never go for it.

 

[pilotyip]

It is, actually, but the geezers will never go for it.

This one will, if you like to fly airplanes, it does not matter the airplane or the seat. If you are in it for other reasons, you may be disappointed