Age 70 being discussed

[makersmarc]

I want the retirement age set so that I personally benefit the most, given my age and seniority. Isn't that what everyone wants?

 

[COOPERVANE]

I want the retirement age set so that I personally benefit the most, given my age and seniority. Isn't that what everyone wants?

I know you wont get this but,

Not everyone has that attitude.

There is right and wrong...... and there is selfishness. Honor integrity and dignity really are important. They should NOT just be adjectives.

In the course of my life, I have supported policies/rules/situations that didn't turn out to be the best situation for me. It DID NOT benefit me, but it was the fair.....the RIGHT thing to do. I knew the rules and chose to participate in that activity/job/career.

I can look at a situation from the outside and say "this does not benefit me, but it is the right thing to do" Are you truly not able to do that?

So...no...believe it or not I didn't go to "the first regional that would hire me like everybody else" and no I don't "want the retirement age set so that I personally benefit the most, given my age and seniority. Like everybody else"

I just want what is fair. And changing the rules specifically to suit you is not fair.

Maybe what you meant was that everybody's idea of what is fair depends on their age and seniority.

 

[satpak77]

(yawn....)

back to regularly scheduled programming....this thread should be put to bed immediately....

 

[IBNAV8R]

I suppose it should be no surprise that the industry would be so short-sighted - again.

Raising the age fixes a short-term problem, and helps a few guys who, for whatever reason, would have been caught with their proverbial pants around their ankles. But, for airlines, it's a five year extension in paying out highest-tier wages and, for those who counted on the customary progression, an even higher cost.

I'm glad it's working for a couple hundred pilots, who reaped the benefits of the old system, while thousands stagnate in the current one.

Agree with it or not, raising the retirement age does absolutely nothing to fix the root cause of the looming pilot shortage.

Implosion forthcoming.

 

[Poahi]

I want the retirement age set so that I personally benefit the most, given my age and seniority. Isn't that what everyone wants?

Ok, so long as you're pulling gear for a 25 year old regional captain.

 

[txav8r]

Nothing like two 70 yr old guys in the cockpit in the middle of the night over the ocean and something goes wrong

How about two 30-something Air France guys in the cockpit in the middle of the night over the ocean when something went wrong?

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[pilotyip]

How about two 30-something Air France guys in the cockpit in the middle of the night over the ocean when something went wrong?

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well said

 

[ackattacker]

It's been proven that "fluid intelligence" (the ability to respond intelligently to a new or novel situation) declines steadily with age. Age 70 is approaching the age where full on dementia and alzheimers starts to kick in for a significant portion of the population (about 6 out of every 1,000 people) It's no more "age discrimination" than the age 23 ATP requirement.

http://www.brainhealthhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fluid-and-crystalized-intelligence3.png

 

[pilotyip]

It's been proven that "fluid intelligence" (the ability to respond intelligently to a new or novel situation) declines steadily with age. Age 70 is approaching the age where full on dementia and alzheimers starts to kick in for a significant portion of the population (about 6 out of every 1,000 people) It's no more "age discrimination" than the age 23 ATP requirement.

http://www.brainhealthhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fluid-and-crystalized-intelligence3.png

Can it be tested for?, does it set in earlier on some than others? In all cases, is a 60 year old safer than a 70 year old? How about we make retirement age the age of the youngest pilot to experience incapacitation in the cockpit. Wham a 47 year has a heart attack in the cockpit, new retirement age 47

 

[Abernathy]

Can it be tested for?, does it set in earlier on some than others? In all cases, is a 60 year old safer than a 70 year old? How about we make retirement age the age of the youngest pilot to experience incapacitation in the cockpit. Wham a 47 year has a heart attack in the cockpit, new retirement age 47

Yip why do you think the FAA has ATC retire at what, 56?

 

[sperfly]

How about two 30-something Air France guys in the cockpit in the middle of the night over the ocean when something went wrong?

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Or how about the guys in the bombers and fighters over Europe and the Pacific in the forties. Oh wait a minute they were thirty and younger in most cases. Move over pops it's time to retire.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip why do you think the FAA has ATC retire at what, 56?

good union?

 

[altimaklr]

I've jumpseated on quite a few flights with 55-64yo captains who should not be flying. They were pretty much along for the ride, making top dollar and screwing everyone below them while not doing much work. These are they same guys who will never have problems with line checks or PC's because they've been there 30 years and know enough people smooth things over.

 

[JettBoii]

Remember the 2 geezers who got so low on the approach into HOU they clipped a light pole over the beltway...5 miles out. Ignored 2-3 low altitude alerts from a controller.

 

[flyboyike]

Honor integrity and dignity really are important. They should NOT just be adjectives.

Especially since they're nouns.