AGE 65 rule appears to have been voted down.

[hr2eternity]

Got a letter today from Senator Feinstein of California stating the age 65 rule in the form of the FAA reauthorization bill was voted down 52-44. I wrote her asking she vote no to the increase. She did.

Who says democracy doesn't work?

TH.

 

[VVJM265]

I’m impressed that her staff kept track that you wrote to her about the issue and then followed up with a letter back to you after the vote. Wow!

No comment on the vote, just on the good staff work.

 

[skytrain]

Oh, they'll reply alright! But they're usually clueless as to where you stood on the issue itself. I think they enter you into a computer database under a subject title (H.R./S.R. #) and you are auto mailed when or if the subject is voted on. I used to work for a Representative and the only people they really paid attention to were the PAC's and donors who contributed over a thousand/month. That was over 10 years ago, so I'm sure the price to get a Congressman or Senator's ear has gone up.

 

[shagadelic]

Anybody have a source for this? Definitely good news if true.

 

[FedExFlyer]

Anybody have a source for this? Definitely good news if true.

Good news for who??

 

[Wasted]

Good news for who??

Most of us.

 

[PCL_128]

Good news for who??

For me and just about anyone else that isn't a 59 y/o without a life outside of work.

 

[shagadelic]

Good news for me and the roughly 50% who agree our pay and benefits should be predicated on an age of 60 for retirement. Bad news for the other 50% who started late, or want to fly till they die, or didn't save, or lost a pension, or whatever.

I don't argue this issue, I understand both sides. I don't have a say in the outcome except for a small voice in a cast of thousands. I don't want to beat another dead horse on this thread, but the die is either about to be cast for this year, or has just been cast if what he posted was true. Now I'm just patiently waiting the outcome.

 

[Huck]

It all depends on whose oxe is being gored.

I've always said there should be an Official Audit of your net worth when you turn 60. If it's more than a certain amount, you are forced to turn out to pasture. If you're hurting for money, you can stay....

 

[RiddleEagle18]

yeah huck great idea so the people who don't prepair for reitrement can stay and the guys who work hard thier whole lives and save money take one up the..... now i realise your gonna come back and say what about the people who were furloughed... your right it suxs for them but wether or not someone should be forced to retire or not has nothing to do with thier net worth...

 

[regionaltard]

For me and just about anyone else that isn't a 59 y/o without a life outside of work.

How about sharing with us your knowledge of how age 60 came to be in the first place? I'll give you a hint: it happened long before it was possible to buy an airline job.

 

[PCL_128]

How about sharing with us your knowledge of how age 60 came to be in the first place. I'll give you a hint: it happened long before it was possible to buy an airline job.

The CEO of AA had buddies in high places (the FAA) and pushed the rule through to get rid of his senior pilots. Of course, that's completely irrelevant since anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes that pilots lose their cognitive abilities as age progresses. Since it's basically impossible to adequately test for this, an arbitrary age must be set. Despite the original intentions of the regulation, it does add an element of safety that I don't want to see eliminated.

 

[AAflyer]

This is great news, however I would like the chance to revise my opnion after I am a wide-body captain about to retire. Thanks!

AA

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Does anyone have any confirmation about this?

 

[Clyde]

Does anyone know if age 65 will come up again in the future, or are they finally going to stick a fork in this once and for all?

 

[FedExFlyer]

The CEO of AA had buddies in high places (the FAA) and pushed the rule through to get rid of his senior pilots. Of course, that's completely irrelevant since anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes that pilots lose their cognitive abilities as age progresses. Since it's basically impossible to adequately test for this, an arbitrary age must be set. Despite the original intentions of the regulation, it does add an element of safety that I don't want to see eliminated.

So are you saying that I am safe the day before my 60th birthday and then poof.........that's it. All of the sudden I am relegated to the schoolhouse overnight just because of my age. I just don't think its fair and never have.

Honestly I just don't wanna go home and spend more time with my wife. We all have our reasoning.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

The pairing requirement would make things difficult. Forces a seniority violation. Could be tricky at the legacy carriers where they have more older FO's.

 

[stonewall]

My personal opinion is vote it down. However, that's only b/c of my personal situation and own selfish desires. I was lucky to get hired young at a (currently) stable airline that still has a pension.

However, for all the young guys out there, I think this WILL be changed before any of us hit age 60. All these baby boomer types keep saying 40 is the new 30, and 60 is the new 50 and all that junk. Soon 80 will be the new 60 or something like that. People are actually staying healthier longer, and if the Age 60 rule truly is a safety issue, then it'll eventually be changed.

The only impediment I can see is the management at airlines. They hold the real power with Congress, not us. If they want it changed, it'll be changed. If they don't want to pay a 62 yr old a ton of cash to fly til he's 65 (maybe paired with another Capt making the same rate), they'll tell Congress and the rule won't get changed.

I see it from both sides. I personally don't want it changed, but this is America...if someone CAN and WANTS to work they should be allowed to.

 

[Clyde]

Personally, I too want to see the retirement age remain at 60. But, if they do raise it, I hope there won't be any penalty for retiring early. I'm would like to retire at age 55, and at the very least, would not want to be forced to stick around 5 more years than I already have to.

 

[737 Pylt]

AGE 65 rule appears to have been voted down

Got a letter today from Senator Feinstein of California stating the age 65 rule in the form of the FAA reauthorization bill was voted down 52-44. I wrote her asking she vote no to the increase. She did.

Who says democracy doesn't work?

TH.

If you could post a link to this or post conformation, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks,
737

 

[K. Marx]

If you could post a link to this or post conformation, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks,
737

I am guessing there will be no confirmation. ALPA did not even mention anything about a vote this week on this issue. I hope it is true, but my guess is it is just more BS.

 

[brownie]

hr2eternity
i don't know where u got ur info but i just got off the phone with my senator and he said to let u know, u r full of crap.

 

[GoABX]

Bad news for the other 50% who started late, or want to fly till they die, or didn't save, or lost a pension, or whatever.
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Sorry for those that are collecting another retirement, selfish, stupid, or unlucky.

Would those that say this is a moral or discrimination issue be quite so passionate about it if it was grandfathered in starting in 10 years. Would they scream so loud if it effected everyone but them?

 

[PHXFLYR]

So are you saying that I am safe the day before my 60th birthday and then poof.........that's it. All of the sudden I am relegated to the schoolhouse overnight just because of my age. I just don't think its fair and never have.

Honestly I just don't wanna go home and spend more time with my wife. We all have our reasoning.

She told me she didn't want to spend any more time with you,either!


PHXFLYR

 

[PCL_128]

So are you saying that I am safe the day before my 60th birthday and then poof.........that's it.

Nope, not anymore than someone's saying you are magically a safer driver the day you turn 16, more competent to be an ATP the instant you turn 23, or a more responsible drinker the moment you turn 21. There are many arbitrary age limits that keep society safer overall, and the courts have consistently upheld them. Sixty is an arbitrary age, but so is 65, so what's the difference? Any age that is set will be arbitrary.

 

[mobie]

Just saw a posting from BWIA and the max normal age for employ is 28. Think that would work here again, it at one time was 32.

 

[canyonblue]

How about sharing with us your knowledge of how age 60 came to be in the first place?

It was a favor to AA Capo CR Smith from FAA chump Quesada, who was stuck on an age requirement he wanted put in the contract. From a Union standpoint you should hate it, from an F/O standpoint you should love it.

 

[SWA/FO]

The SWAPA web site has nothing on this.... I don't think it has been voted on. Nothing gets by SWAPA....

 

[chase]

Congress is not currently in session & doesn't return until around 17 January. As for the FAA reauthorization bill, this doesn't come up I believe until late 2007. There will be hearings on the overall issue & Age 60 may be included in that bill if it hasn't been brought up & passed previously.

The current discussions relating to Age 60 are in regards to the ICAO proposal that comes before Congress in Nov 2006 if I have my dates are correct. Age 60 is just one small part of that discussion. I think most congressmen are still enjoying the holidays & not working. I could be wrong but very little goes on in DC this time of Jan (or anytime depending on your point of view !

 

[737 Pylt]

I think most congressmen are still enjoying the holidays & not working. I could be wrong but very little goes on in DC this time of Jan (or anytime depending on your point of view !

Gotta love congress!
How come nobody in the press brings up the fact how these overpaid, underworked (part time job) people are compensated, yet pilots salaries are always in the news!?!?
737