Age 60 to 65 Party - Bid Accordingly

[UndauntedFlyer]

The only solution for the APA and ALPA pilots is to strike over wages and working conditions. That's certain to solve problems. The problem though, your bargaining position has been reduced to ZERO ever since December 13, 2007.

 

[The Prussian]

All Uf did, was get what you guys were told to expect...and you guys hate him...(??!?)

 

[highsky]

Almost everyone on this forum (maybe 80%) opposed the Age 60 change. This wasn't a good deal for US. This was a good deal for the 55+ dudes. Just face it. It was a windfall for you. Congratulations. You spent your whole career watching the old dudes retire from the left seat, making way for you, all the while keeping your cockholster shut.

Then, when you yourself faced retirement, you suddenly became "passionate" about age descrimination and became a beacon for change. Hypocrisy with a capital H.

Good for you. You won.

Now the majority of us get to work an extra five years, with a proportianate decrease in life expectancy, to subsidize your piss-poor retirement planning. We're sacrificing money, and LIFE, for YOU.

And especially for you UF, for a MF with so many civilian flying toys as you, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy, and exponential disdain for those like you who naively and selfishly blew your wad foolishly on materialistic posessions "for the moment," as opposed to planning on the future, IRRESPECTIVE of your company's A Plan (historically, and always, a stupid move).

Windfall, Huh? Now the younger guys get to pay for your mistakes.

Piece of Advice #1: Don't advertise that you're a proponent of the change, lest you have very lonely layovers for the next five years.

Piece of Advice #2: Don't come on a forum like this advertising all the expensive ways you're spending your money in aviation as a civilian during your retirement; all the aerobatic airplanes, accolades, etc. You will get zero sympathy. When you're living in a crack shack in the bad part of town, sitting at a card table by yourself, wearing a wife-beater and boxer shorts, unshaven, with a bare-naked light bulb illuminating the table, at which you're eating Top Ramen, then you can play the sympathy card. Until then, shove it.

Coming on this board to gloat about it is like the Red Sox having a parade in Manhattan to celebrate their World Series victory over the Yankees.

Fukc off, you selfish prikcs.

 

[BoilerUP]

Ya know, I can't help but think that its both disappointing AND pathetic for an FAA Designated Pilot Examiner to come onto a message board and gloat about a career windfall to a very small portion of pilots.

And to think this a-hole checks to see if people are of "good and moral character"..

 

[pipe]

The only solution for the APA and ALPA pilots is to strike over wages and working conditions. That's certain to solve problems. The problem though, your bargaining position has been reduced to ZERO ever since December 13, 2007.

Two points of fact here:

1) You can't strike when the NMB won't release any major pilot group - ever!

2) UF, apparently you are unable to comprehend the fact that you lost here too. It's true that the young guys lost as well. Guess what though? We are airline pilots, you are not! Nanny-Nanny f'in boo boo.

PIPE

 

[Flopgut]

The only solution for the APA and ALPA pilots is to strike over wages and working conditions. That's certain to solve problems. The problem though, your bargaining position has been reduced to ZERO ever since December 13, 2007.

What are you saying??

If we strike, you guys are coming across the line?? That's what it sounds like.

You're upset with ALPA? Imagine how upset you are right now, and then multiply that by 10. That's how it felt to the Frontier guys YOU screwed!! That's right my friend. In a far less desperate time, you and your UAL contemporaries decided to wreck ALPA merger policy and sieze for yourself all the FAL positions.

Every single FAL line pilot honored your strike and you thanked them with a knife in the back. Now, you're going to threaten to cross OUR possible/future picket line??

 

[jke406]

The only solution for the APA and ALPA pilots is to strike over wages and working conditions. That's certain to solve problems. The problem though, your bargaining position has been reduced to ZERO ever since December 13, 2007.

Ever heard of Karma, old timer? It means you're going to get yours. I have never seen the likes of your selfish, me-first attitude. Designated examiner? You aren't worthy of examining stool samples.

Good day.

 

[Whataburger]

When you're living in a crack shack in the bad part of town, sitting at a card table by yourself, wearing a wife-beater and boxer shorts, unshaven, with a bare-naked light bulb illuminating the table, at which you're eating Top Ramen, then you can play the sympathy card. Until then, shove it.

Ahh, the good ole days of being a commuter pilot.

 

[PCL_128]

The only solution for the APA and ALPA pilots is to strike over wages and working conditions. That's certain to solve problems. The problem though, your bargaining position has been reduced to ZERO ever since December 13, 2007.

What's that, old man? I couldn't hear you because I was laughing so hard at the thought of you missing the deadline for your precious age change. Enjoy retirement you old bastard. I hope you lose your medical and can't even fly your fancy little GA planes that you were able to buy thanks to your rapid seniority advancement due to the age 60 rule.

 

[samballs]

ALPA continued to say it was a safety issue after having failed to convince the FAA at the ARC hearings and having signed multiple contracts for different Canadian pilot groups to fly to age 65. So clearly that was a lie based on discrimination as a union. ALPA managed to get Transportation and Infrastructure Chairman Oberstar, whom they have given more money than any other congressman over the years, to put in protective language denying pilots Due Process or the right to go to court; the language also violated the Constitution in several other areas and ALPA President John Prater brags about it. That will come back to haunt him and ALPA. This all shows where ALPA has put their money and lost; I expect they will lose even more over the outcome of this issue too. Labor unions are supposed to help protect the people they represent; all members, not just the junior "get out of my seat crowd." We will see how profitable it is to violate the law and work at taking away peoples constitutional rights. The cost for ALPA doing business in Washington is going to go up, because they have not dealt fairly with the older pilots they were supposed to represent. ALPA is looking less credible all the time. The price may very well be punitive damages for their misdeeds.

I agree they should have changed it to 55, you old f@ck

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Undaunted -- Speaks the Reality of age 60/65!

I'm really surprised that anyone thinks I have some how come out ahead and that I am somehow gloating. The fact is that while I worked to continue to keep working, the fact is that I got nothing financially in this. I missed the cut and that's just the way it goes. I only lost everything, my job and my retirement. Yes I still have my family and fortunately my health, but that big retirement as was promised by ALPA if the age 60 rule was kept, was not there. So be it.

I have been fortunate in my life on many fronts so I just take the unlucky breaks along with the lucky breaks. All total, I have been fortunate and I do know that.

But I will say that I guess I am somewhat pleased that those on this board (you know who you are) who had no compassion and were so adamant that I any other 59-year old (even the guys with the small Regionals who never made any money to speak of and who had no retirement at all) get out of their seat just so the young crowd could get promoted, that they now got what was coming to them: 5-years of stagnation and the need to work to age 65. Yes you will...

So you see those of us who were the biggest loud mouths, pro and con, (the “get out of my seat crowd, and yes, even me) all of us lost! The only winners were the age 55 to 58-year old group who kept quiet and picked up the pieces. I am afraid that they are now eating our lunch while we fought with each other.

Oh yes, if it makes anyone feel better, I have sold my airplane (and my Honda Rune) because I could not afford that lifestyle any more. Does that really make you happy? Probably so!

I still have my life, my family, my health and my other aviation work. While I’m not in HNL sipping MiaTia’s, that’s probably better in the long run. I am certainly no less happy. In fact, I would say that my quality of life is better than ever.

By the way, you’re all invited to my reality retirement party, January 29th at Chuck’s in HNL. MiaTia’s and dinner included. Please RSVP if you care to attend. I really love all of you, even the "get out of my seat crowd" from FI.

 

[ivauir]

Oh yes, if it makes anyone feel better, I have sold my airplane (and my Honda Rune) because I could not afford that lifestyle any more. Does that really make you happy? Probably so!

I am sorry about that ... I really am. You see I can relate, I'll never be able to afford one.

 

[ATRCA]

Reminder:

We will be having a post age-change get-together in San Antonio, Texas on February 8th. Attendees will be respnsible for their own room and dinner costs. APAAD will NOT be picking up the tab for attendees in order to ensure fiscal responsiblity/accountability.

Bid accordingly if you want to attend.

APAAD (Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination)
[email protected]

GET REAL GEEZER! I'm not a member of AARP yet so I'm not sure my crowd and your crowd will have much to talk about. Unless of course I bring in some B-29 and P-51 models.

 

[ATRCA]

Dinner will be promptly at eight, except those of you who fell asleep on the couch in the lobby waiting for a room.

Dinner will consist of Gerber carrots, sweet potatoes, green beans, and mixed meat served with a spoon or a straw.

All dinner seating is water proof with individual seat pads in case of failure/lack of Depends.

Dinner attire is black uniform slacks, white socks, black shoes, and members only jackets. No exceptions.

Fixodent and other adhesives will be available at each table prior to dinner being served.

Wives are always permitted for those of you who still have contact with your third or fourth spouse.

Hearing aids can be purchased at the door for a flat fee.

As always, cane and walker parking is free of charge for those staying in the hotel.

For those attending that can't remember whether they are staying in the hotel or not, a hotel employee dressed as an FO will guide you back to your room after the evenings festivities.

OMG!! That is frikin funny!

 

[ATRCA]

Ya know, I can't help but think that its both disappointing AND pathetic for an FAA Designated Pilot Examiner to come onto a message board and gloat about a career windfall to a very small portion of pilots.

And to think this a-hole checks to see if people are of "good and moral character"..

Fact of the matter is that he is probably a pissed off miserable old man. He's probably the guy who hangs out at FBO's and tries endlessly to get people to listen to his BS aviation stories all the while no one gives a rats. We have those "gummers" at my local airport. What a shame. Just can't move on. Gonna try till the last day to recapture something that was lost A LONG TIME AGO.