Age 60 informal poll

[Phaedrus]

FYI, I've changed my plans to move my last January flight up 1 day to FLT 1 on January 26th just in case I don't make the cut.

Who says Undaunted didn't plan ahead? Good move UF.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Undaunted

Look it up...it means "not faltering or hesitating because of fear or discouragement, undismayed."

That's good. Undaunted really is undaunted...but soon will be undaunted driver...no longer undaunted flyer. Thank God for that.

On the motorcycle boards, I'm UndauntedTraveler.

 

[AAflyer]

Comments age 60 rule change are running 20 to 1 in favor of change. Here are a few of the 5631 submissions to the FAA Aviation Rule Making Committee (ARC).

AARP's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429495_web.pdf

EEOC's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429681_web.pdf

CAMA's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424637_web.pdf
Jet Blue's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424642_web.pdf

Dr. Claus Curdt-Christiansen: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/425073_web.pdf

A/A and APA pilot's comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/427463_web.pdf


AirTran Captain: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429759_web.pdf

Ameristar Air Cargo: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p88/429817.pdf

Captain's Comments: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429693_web.pdf

Wife pleads for her family: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429572_web.pdf

Captain quotes FAA on age 60: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429693_web.pdf

More Comments: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429786_web.pdf

Medical Doctor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/423513_web.pdf

Medical Doctor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/423512_web.pdf

Net Jets Attorney & Instructor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/422605_web.pdf

Seniors Coalition: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/421953_web.pdf

Herb Keller/SWA: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/421236_web.pdf

5-page personal letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/430058_web.pdf

2-Tour Vietnam Veteran: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/428917_web.pdf

4-page personal letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/428909_web.pdf

APA Member: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429380_web.pdf

42-page scholarly study: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429299_web.pdf

2-page typical representative letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429404_web.pdf

Sad letter from healthy pilot: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429568_web.pdf

Typical captain's letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/422694_web.pdf

For the people who read quickly, one of the comments listed above is from

an American Airlines captain who is an APA member. The way you have it listed it implies the whole group. APA and a majority of it's members are against raising the 60.

AAflyer

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Links to age 60 TV National News stories

Links to age 60 news video segments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2674568

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1943721

 

[zonker]

Links to age 60 news video segments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2674568

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1943721"]http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1943721[/URL]

Enjoy your retirement.

:beer:

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

It ain't over till it's over.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Links to age 60 news video segments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2674568

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1943721"]http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1943721[/URL]

HOW OLD are these videos?

Hiring pilots? Still have 5000+ on furlough.....anyone think about those guys?

 

[Andy]

HOW OLD are these videos?

Hiring pilots? Still have 5000+ on furlough.....anyone think about those guys?

About a week old.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

HOW OLD are these videos?

The first one was broadcast on 11/22/06. The second was broadcast in May, '06.

Has anyone seen the USA Today Feature Editorial on the age 60 issue in today's paper? (Page 17A) Very well done.

This editorial represents the opinion of the America's newspaper. USA today has the largest circulation of any newspaper.

 

[Phaedrus]

USA Yesterday barely qualifies as a mullet wrapper. If you're hangin' your hat on that, you're hurtin'.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Al,

Do you care about the guys on Furlough?

The video shows a DAL guy flying an L-1011 and talks about a pilot shortage...kind of a stretch don't you think?

Sorry pal, time to pack up the motorhome and leave the flying to us "young" guys with no experience!

WHAT A CROCK OF S$it!

 

[Freight Dog]

UndauntedSoonToBeRetiree, did you happen to read the Nov/Dec ALPA rag when they talk about Age 60?

Here are some quotes:

"Over the years, the FAA has resisted numerous attempts to change the rule, insisting that any change to the regulation must provide for at least an equivalent level of safety."

"The FAA does grant operational specifications approval to foreign carriers to permit pilots over age 60 to fly into the United States, but the agency does not maintain any data as to the number of such foreign pilots they allow under those specifications. But according to International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations, of those international airlines whose national regulations allow flying past age 60, fewer than 75 pilots fly into the United States under the special specifications."

"When ALPA polled its members on the issue in 2005, a majority of those participating upheld ALPA's long-standing position. In any case, the current FAA regulation will already be in compliance on November 23 because the new standard does not require contracting states to allow pilots to fly beyond age 60, it merely permits states to do so."

Here's my favorite one:

"... But other groups, including ALPA, feel that it is inappropriate for Congress to dictate unproven safety standards to the FAA, particularly by trying to legislate on an appropriations bill."

I think you'll soon be an UndauntedRetiree.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The rule is changing. There is nothing that will stop it. It may be in time for me and it may not. There may be Congressinal legislation and there may not, but that will not make a difference in the long run because it is the FAA that makes the change in either case. The FAA may issue waivers and/or regulatory changes.


USA Today's View on age 60

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/11/post_60.html

Opposing View and Letters to the Editor

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/11/opposing_view_p.html

Enjoy....

 

[Freight Dog]

If that picture in USA Today is you, then you really do look like you're ready to retire.

All joking aside, did you notice comments how so many of those in the pro-change crowd are the "screw-the-majority" captains?

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

All joking aside, did you notice comments how so many of those in the pro-change crowd are the "screw-the-majority" captains?

No, I did not notice that. In fact I thought they sounded like they just wanted to earn a living at their trade so as to provide for their families. Is that something they should not be interested in doing?

Flew with a female F/O today that thought over 60 pilots should just retire. I asked her if she wasn't just working herself to provide more income for her family, since her husband was a full time NWA pilot. Surely he could provide enough and she wouldn't have to work. She could be a stay-at-home mom if she and her husband kept to a strict budget and they didn't exceed their means.

Oh no, was her answer, she needed to work so her children could have all the things she wants them to have. Plus she wants to do something meaningful with her time.

So how is that any different for the over age 60 crowd that wants to work? It isn't any different. We just want to provide for our families, as does most every other creature on this planet.