AF guys....is this REALLY your leader?

[Fearless Tower]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/24/air.force.iraq.ap/index.html



I'm a Navy guy and we are facing many of the same issues with Individual Augmentations.....but our CNO isn't whining about it on CNN like a little baby.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That is how the AF gets money from Congress....

 

[AdlerDriver]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/24/air.force.iraq.ap/index.html



I'm a Navy guy and we are facing many of the same issues with Individual Augmentations.....but our CNO isn't whining about it on CNN like a little baby.

So......your point is.........?
I guess we should get a petition together and get him ??what - fired? Last time I checked, most "AF or Navy guys" don't have much say over who's in charge or what they whine to CNN about.

I'm willing to bet your CNO would grab some cheese and start whining too if this ends up fixing the problem for the AF.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So......your point is.........?
I guess we should get a petition together and get him ??what - fired? Last time I checked, most "AF or Navy guys" don't have much say over who's in charge or what they whine to CNN about.

I'm willing to bet your CNO would grab some cheese and start whining too if this ends up fixing the problem for the AF.

Adler-

Congrats on your first series sweeps of the Bombers in 17 years... Looks like you guys are shedding that AAA style of play calibre at Fenway.... Then again... Mo had something to do with it.... but four homers in a row...wow.... who was that pitcher?

 

[Huggyu2]

I'm a Navy guy and we are facing many of the same issues with Individual Augmentations.....but our CNO isn't whining about it on CNN like a little baby.

Whether or not the Dept of the Navy is having problems is irrelevant. If the CoS or the CNO see that they are losing combat capability, it is their duty and responsibility to address it. Now if Congress tells them to pound sand and bark at the moon, they now have a challenge of how to work around the limitations they're given.
He's addressing the issue. He's actually doing what he should in his position. Now, if you want him to march lock step with every policy and keep his yapper shut, then assign him to the Politburo or Kremlin.
Maybe CNO is taking notes.

 

[talondriver]

I'm a Navy guy and we are facing many of the same issues with Individual Augmentations.....but our CNO isn't whining about it on CNN like a little baby.

Whining?? I call it "balls of a giant cougar".

Maybe "others" need to grow a pair if they are truly concerned about their mission and people.

Also, the CoS is a pilot. He doesn't need permission to speak.

 

[Benhuntn]

Bush 1 and Clinton stripped the military all through the 80's and 90's and that was fine. We built a great golf course at Andrews, and some fine generals quarters at Bolling AFB. Now we are at war and these cuts are coming home to roost in all of the services. But the generals still have nice qtrs and a golf course that is unmatched to keep them busy. The troops will just have to make do. It's called life in the military. Next time there is a RIF they should cut the generals/admirals and leave the field grade officers and nco's to run the military.

 

[milplt]

With all the flubs this CoS has legitimately made, this thread has to focus on one of the times that he actually has a valid point! By the way, the Marines always bragged about how they gave money back every year - where has that gotten them? The entire budget process if f--d up, any weapon system will get forced on the military by Congress if parts of it are built in all 50 states. The future requirements are still being modeled on threat assessments that are years old. The Army is still at post-cold war manning levels and there is no urgency to change that because so many "traditionally Army roles" such as convoy ops and prison ops are being assigned to the other services. There needs to be more transparency on the behind the scenes wrangling to flush some of the incompetency out into the open.

 

[JimNtexas]

The Air Force senior leadership has made some real bonehead decisions in the last 15 years for sure. In this case, however, I think the General has a point.

With the size of the USAF being cut way back it probably is important to rethink the practice of using Air Force guys as light infantry and truck convoy operators.

Active duty guys, an off topic question: Are 'official photographs' back in the package the promotion boards look at?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

By the way, the Marines always bragged about how they gave money back every year - where has that gotten them? .

Feared and Respected....

 

[Huggyu2]

Feared and Respected....

Very true....
They are also bankrupt.

Official photos are "no more", except for some special duty assignment applications.

 

[Mud Eagle]

No photos in promo boards currently.

 

[yeahguy]

Service record photos are back, at least for Navy guys...

http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=29061

 

[Occam's Razor]

Deliver 4 fewer Raptors...run the Marine Corps for a year.

Spot the Marine recruiter:

"You can earn money for college!"
"You can earn money for college!"
"We will make you a warrior"
"You can earn money for college!"

 

[bagasticks]

When I was a Plane Captain on A-model hornets in the Marines, we would always take our old junk to cope thunders, topguns, wti's, war etc. and almost always had more mission ready jets on the ramp than the navy or the air force parked next door (probably due in part because Marine hornet drivers would rather fly combat in pickled dog poop than sit in the ready room) but none the less, we have always "done more with less" right, wrong or indifferent. .cheap bullets and dull knives kill just as efficiently in the hands of the right leadership. .

 

[Deuce130]

Spot the Marine recruiter:

"You can earn money for college!"
"You can earn money for college!"
"We will make you a warrior"
"You can earn money for college!"

Spot the Army recruiter:

"You can earn money for college!"
"We will make you a warrior!"
"How bout we meet at my apartment later, drink some beer, fool around? Bring a friend or two..."
"Sure, kid, you can fly fighter jets!"

 

[Occam's Razor]

Spot the Army recruiter:

"You can earn money for college!"
"We will make you a warrior!"
"How bout we meet at my apartment later, drink some beer, fool around? Bring a friend or two..."
"Sure, kid, you can fly fighter jets!"

Good one!

:laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

When I was a Plane Captain on A-model hornets in the Marines, we would always take our old junk to cope thunders, topguns, wti's, war etc. and almost always had more mission ready jets on the ramp than the navy or the air force parked next door (probably due in part because Marine hornet drivers would rather fly combat in pickled dog poop than sit in the ready room) but none the less, we have always "done more with less" right, wrong or indifferent. .cheap bullets and dull knives kill just as efficiently in the hands of the right leadership. .

Meanwhile the AF guys are complaining the Air Conditioning suxs and the cushions aren't just right for thier tushies... :beer:

 

[Oh-ryan]

Whining?? I call it "balls of a giant cougar".

Maybe "others" need to grow a pair if they are truly concerned about their mission and people.

Also, the CoS is a pilot. He doesn't need permission to speak.

Was he wearing his cool ascot when he gave this speech? Ahahahahahahaha!

PS
Aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Huggyu2]

Flame away, oh ye of limited budgets!
And don't laugh: the Navy guys at Randolph AFB are getting pretty spoiled with their air conditioning and base infrastructure.

 

[Fins Up]

Still, the Air Force general added, "I'm less supportive of things outside our competency."

Me 1st Lieutenant in 451st Stapler Repair Squadron. Me can't learn anything else.

 

[talondriver]

Was he wearing his cool ascot when he gave this speech? Ahahahahahahaha!

PS
Aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Naaa...we trashed the ascot testing program to pay for more Raptors. I can't believe the Navy opted not the buy more ships in order to fund for more cool brown flight boots.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Naaa...we trashed the ascot testing program to pay for more Raptors. I can't believe the Navy opted not the buy more ships in order to fund for more cool brown flight boots.

Well played Zoomie... well played.

Though, I must say that those brown boots are pretty sweet. They improved my QOL and gave me far more job satisfication than all of the "improvements" and "upgrades" they made to the P-3 during my tenure.

 

[SIG600]

Still, the Air Force general added, "I'm less supportive of things outside our competency."

That sounds like something John Madden would say.

 

[MILPILOT]

Spot the Army recruiter:

"You can earn money for college!"
"We will make you a warrior!"
"How bout we meet at my apartment later, drink some beer, fool around? Bring a friend or two..."
"Sure, kid, you can fly fighter jets!"

The following air force commercial is not intended to represent the pilots/navs who actually do a mission and go in harms way, it is representative of the service in general.

Spot the air force recruiter:

"You can earn money for college"

"You get to pretend to be an actual combat service because we have named most outfits something like the 123rd tactical combat warrior base supply squadron."

"We will make you a fatter and more worthless citizen by doing 0 physical activity, doing away with the PT test and replacing it with team building events like frisbee golf, instead of actual events which involve LEADING young men towards victory "

"You get to have bosses like Gen Mosely who b!&ch instead of tightening his belt (see previous point) and defending this country as the other services are doing by just making it work!"

The air force has absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to b!&chin about providing bodies to do jobs they are not "trained" to do. What do yo think the Army and Marines have been doing for over 230 years? Why in our time of war is the air force's budget getting smaller when the Army and Marine Corps budget is getting bigger? Because the latter two are taking care of business while the former is taking care of business as usual...

Congratulating General Mosely by saying he is just doing his job because he is defending the status quo of the air force is not a valid argument. Instead of saying the current system is NOW broken because the air force is providing bodies for work outside of their training, maybe the real issue is that the air force for the first time in a long time is required to contribute to the ongoing war effort in any way possible. Over the years most who have joined the air force (again pilots/navs aside) have forgotten it is a military branch, not a welfare state whose mission is master degrees and intramural sports.

 

[Huggyu2]

Thanks, MILPLT: I'm very glad to hear that none of those problems or issues exist in the Navy.

 

[CFI2766]

The following air force commercial is not intended to represent the pilots/navs who actually do a mission and go in harms way, it is representative of the service in general.

Spot the air force recruiter:

"You can earn money for college"

"You get to pretend to be an actual combat service because we have named most outfits something like the 123rd tactical combat warrior base supply squadron."

"We will make you a fatter and more worthless citizen by doing 0 physical activity, doing away with the PT test and replacing it with team building events like frisbee golf, instead of actual events which involve LEADING young men towards victory "

"You get to have bosses like Gen Mosely who b!&ch instead of tightening his belt (see previous point) and defending this country as the other services are doing by just making it work!"

The air force has absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to b!&chin about providing bodies to do jobs they are not "trained" to do. What do yo think the Army and Marines have been doing for over 230 years? Why in our time of war is the air force's budget getting smaller when the Army and Marine Corps budget is getting bigger? Because the latter two are taking care of business while the former is taking care of business as usual...

Congratulating General Mosely by saying he is just doing his job because he is defending the status quo of the air force is not a valid argument. Instead of saying the current system is NOW broken because the air force is providing bodies for work outside of their training, maybe the real issue is that the air force for the first time in a long time is required to contribute to the ongoing war effort in any way possible. Over the years most who have joined the air force (again pilots/navs aside) have forgotten it is a military branch, not a welfare state whose mission is master degrees and intramural sports.

(In my best sarcastic tone)

Sounds like someone is a little grumpy...musta missed his daily solo session with the volleyball scene from every squid's favorite movie, top gun.

 

[Fins Up]

That sounds like something John Madden would say.

BOOM!

 

[ExAF]

Envy

The following air force commercial is not intended to represent the pilots/navs who actually do a mission and go in harms way, it is representative of the service in general.

Spot the air force recruiter:

"You can earn money for college"

"You get to pretend to be an actual combat service because we have named most outfits something like the 123rd tactical combat warrior base supply squadron."

"We will make you a fatter and more worthless citizen by doing 0 physical activity, doing away with the PT test and replacing it with team building events like frisbee golf, instead of actual events which involve LEADING young men towards victory "

"You get to have bosses like Gen Mosely who b!&ch instead of tightening his belt (see previous point) and defending this country as the other services are doing by just making it work!"

The air force has absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to b!&chin about providing bodies to do jobs they are not "trained" to do. What do yo think the Army and Marines have been doing for over 230 years? Why in our time of war is the air force's budget getting smaller when the Army and Marine Corps budget is getting bigger? Because the latter two are taking care of business while the former is taking care of business as usual...

Congratulating General Mosely by saying he is just doing his job because he is defending the status quo of the air force is not a valid argument. Instead of saying the current system is NOW broken because the air force is providing bodies for work outside of their training, maybe the real issue is that the air force for the first time in a long time is required to contribute to the ongoing war effort in any way possible. Over the years most who have joined the air force (again pilots/navs aside) have forgotten it is a military branch, not a welfare state whose mission is master degrees and intramural sports.

Budget Envy is a terrible thing...and it must be stopped...in out lifetime...

 

[Gorilla]

The Air Force deals death on a scale too massive for the current conflict, hence the need to sit on arses in air-conditioned comfort.

However, I will FOREVER mock and condemn the pathetic, transparent, and completely annoying Air Force effort to "warriorize" everything. It's lame. STOP IT! It was the beginning of the end when Tactical Air Command went away, was merged with tanks and buffs, and became ACC. ACC my a$$. Thank God I got out still a member of Tactical Air Command. My single remaining green bag still proudly bears that patch.