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Thanks Bobby

Thanks Bobby

The only thing that really gets me about Kit is he is advertising that United and American Eagle will be at his show in Atlanta recruiting for pilots.

Companies pay nothing to come to his show and sometimes he will pick up the hotel too. At the AEPS jobfairs, everyone pays to come so at least they are serious.

He has been after UPAS and ALPA must think he will pay them for it.
 
Kit's fraud

It's a sham. Neither of those airlines are hiring. People will show up to Kit's job fairs, hoping for some encouragement, and Kit will lead them down the primrose path to nowhere. Forewarned is forearmed. Kit can put on any kind of show he wants. It doesn't mean that one has to go and/or swallow his bull.

I heard on NPR this morning that the "experts" agree that the recession is over, although they have no idea when improvement will begin. You watch; Kit will trot out his forty-thousand-pilots-are-needed-over-the-next-ten-years malarkey. :rolleyes:
 
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It is reassuring to know that so many pilots know so much about my company and me. We offer a system that has helped nearly 200,000 pilots over the years and with that many customers it is safe to say that not everybody is happy all the time.

These recent postings contain numerous inaccurate statements so I thought I would give the company and my personal view from one who was and is there.

As for taking money at FAPA. - I was forced out of FAPA in 1989 having built the company to 12 times its original size because my partner did not want to pay me the percentage he had agreed to in our contract. My partner was going to buy my 1/3 share but never did so I started AIR, Inc. in my home with no money. I was and still am an active United pilot - it is airline number 4 for me after Braniff, Capitol, and Republic. After I was forced to leave FAPA I resigned my corporate position as Exec. VP and had to sue to get my share of the company (which I never received). I had no part in FAPA's demise, which came 7 years later as the result of failing to pay payroll taxes among other things. I purchased my 1/3 and my partners 2/3 of the assets from the IRS at auction for $62,000 in early 1997. FAPA’s bankruptcy was thrown out for lack of an attorney and the IRS took over and sold the assets. Nobody lost more in the failure of FAPA than I did and all I could do was watch my investment go up in smoke - about $1,000,000 in stock and back wages. So I feel your pain but I did not take money at FAPA and then not deliver the goods as someone here suggests. In fact we offered ex-FAPA members the best possible deal to continue their services with AIR, Inc. at our cost.

As I understand it AEPS purchased UPAS from ALPA (actually The Software Holding Company owned by ALPA) for about $1.6 million and a share of profits or revenue. They have not made any but the first few payments so most of it is now due because they are in default for the last few years (not just due to 9/11 as they might want you to believe). They used the asset of AEPS and World Employment Data (their holding company?) plus Mr. Dent to guarantee the purchase of UPAS. ALPA is suing for the assets of UPAS, AEPS, WED, and Mr. Dent to try to get their money. ALPA money is of course all pilot money from union dues. ALPA had invested more than the $1.6 million sales price in UPAS prior to the sale to AEPS.

My limited review of the facts shows that the Florida AEPS that failed has the same address, owner and company name (almost) as that listed in AviationCareer.net magazine, and the same owner as WED /AEPS/AviationCareer.net in Nevada (but they are totally separate of course). To verify what I am saying go to the web sites for the Secretary of State sites for Florida and Nevada and search for James N. Dent. Try http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/cormenu.html and http://sos.state.nv.us/ofcsrh3.asp.

If ALPA is successful in obtaining the assets of UPAS, AEPS and/or WED, AIR, Inc. has optioned those assets in exchange for providing services to the large group of ALPA furloughed pilots. Initial notice has been given in the past few months for return of the UPAS asset and to stop continued use of the asset by AEPS. Trial is set for next month (July) in Virginia state court. Time will tell what will happen. The whole process could take years but at least months to resolve.

It cost AIR, Inc. at least 95% of what we charge to provide the products and services we produce - in this post 9/11 market it is over 100%. I took no salary from AIR, Inc. for the first seven years, never more than $24,000 in a single year over the past few years and I am back to zero after 9/11. I do not actually expect to make big money at AIR, Inc. although many assume that is the case. What money has been made over the past years has been reinvested in new or improved products and services. If you want to view AIR, Inc. products and services plus what I do as a big rip off – you are entitled to do so but it simply does not match the facts. You are getting what you pay for from AIR, Inc. now and will in the future. It is of course your choice to play or not. The information we provide is only a tool. You can get the job done, in most cases with out the right tools, it just takes longer – don’t bust a knuckle!

Kit Darby
President & Publisher
AIR, Inc.

PS. Our job fair in Atlanta July 12-14 will have all 4 majors, FedEx, UPS, SWA, and Alaska plus 20-25 more airlines, that are or will be hiring this year and a few that are not like United. They attend to let pilot know the status of future hiring so pilots who wish to work there can plan. In this job market we do everything we can to attract airlines and that includes no booth fees. Many airlines will not spend $2,000 plus expenses to meet with pilots on their weekend off in this job market. The numbers and quality of airlines attending our job fair proves this approach is the best choice for now. We offer offer 18 hours of worshops plus a 6 hours seminar/airline forum on Saturday prior to a 4 hour job fair. Ounce again you get what you pay for!
 
Hey, Kit!!!!!

Now, this is rich. That Kit finally confronts his accusers!

Flamebait?? We are all anonymous, so this post could be from anyone. However, "Kit's" profile and comments sound credible, from what I recall about his bio. Accordingly, I will treat this and respond to "Kit" as if this is all legit.

I have but one comment, though, "Kit:" How in good conscience do you continue disseminating sophistries about a "pilot shortage?" According to books I've read, perhaps it was true briefly in the sixties, when the majors were hiring pilots with low time or just a Private. But, since then and these days? I . . . don't . . . think . . . so, "Kit." :rolleyes:

How about in the mid to late '80s, "Kit?" You said in 1987 that forty thousand pilots would be needed during the next ten years. Well, sir, I heard you and fell in step with you. But, sadly, I found in the late '80s and early '90s that there was nooooo pilot shortage. No one wanted me. For that matter, not many people wanted the Eastern, Midway and Pan Am pilots who lost their jobs because of bankruptcies and shutdowns. How do you explain that one, "Kit???"

What about now, "Kit?" Where, e.g., Be A Pilot.com quotes your recent proclamation of a "pilot shortage" to encourage people to pursue the career? That was the Be A Pilot.com that earned a box in a recent Parade magazine in your Sunday paper. C'mon, "Kit!" We all know it's not true. Go ask the furloughees who are hoping for that recall phonecall.

Okay, "Kit," I will say in all fairness that thanks in part to you I got into aviation and, for the most part, enjoyed my time in it, until your "pilot shortage" was filled. Also, "Kit," you did sell me some books that I found useful while you were running FAPA. And, "Kit," I enjoyed your monthly ragazine, Career Pilot, and used your advertisers. For these things, I thank you.

No, "Kit," you can't make everyone happy all the time. And, you probably can't help every pilot who looks to you for help. However, you should not be spreading untruths about a "pilot shortage."

Have a good day, "Kit."

I guess this is a flame. I don't like flaming because it really serves no purpose - except this time.
 
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Hiring boom and a pilot shortage are to different things. My words are no shortage of people, who want to be pilots, or pilots who want to be professional pilots or professional pilots who want to be airline pilots. I always use the additional phrase "qualified and experienced" when I discuss any type of pilot shortage. I go on to say that I do no believe that we will ever see a true shortage like we had in the mid-sixties where the airlines were paying for training - not in my lifetime.

What the editors at aviation magazines choose to pull from our news releases I cannot control. To see what the entire news release says go to http://www.jet-jobs.com/guestframe.html. Please note all of the detailed furloughed pilot information that puts the real picture in perspective. There is and never has been anything but a denial of a shortage from AIR, Inc. or me.

From 1993 to 2001 there were over 106,000 new jobs at the 200+ airlines we track - if that is not a boom then what is? Sure some jobs were lost after deregulation but many more were created too. I guess it is a test of our optimisim as to whether the glass is half-full or half-empty.


My publisher letter from the thick of the hiring boom follows:

Pilot shortage?
What pilot shortage?

Dear AIR, Inc. member and ALPC Readers:

Lately, when I talk to members of the media—national newspapers, magazines, TV, and radio—their questions almost always include the assumption that there is a pilot shortage. They all seem to be feeding on the shortages at the major airlines due to short-term labor unrest, or on schedule reductions at some of the smaller airlines. I am always offended by their fixation, because without qualifiers, this view is inaccurate and quite honestly, unacceptable.
While it’s true that major airlines like United and Delta have pointed to a lack of pilots as the reason for their recent flight cancellations, when we talk about pilot shortages, we must remember there are 635,000 licensed pilots in the U.S., plus nearly 30,000 military pilots. There is no lack of people who want to be pilots, no lack of pilots who want to be professionals, and no lack of professional pilots who want to be airline pilots. There is, however, a shortage of qualified and experienced pilot applicants that the airlines are used to seeing—especially at the regional level.
The average qualifications for pilots getting a major airline job confirm that these airlines are not facing an applicant shortage. The average civilian pilot is 34 years old and has 5,300 hours—more than 21 times the FAA minimum of 250 hours to do the job—and military pilots average 37 years old, with over 3,300 hours total. The airlines themselves set the standards for both minimum requirements and competitive qualifications, and if they need to, there is plenty of room to reduce their minimum and/or competitive levels to create an entirely new group of “qualified and experienced” pilots. The worst that might happen would be the need for additional training to replace the difference in qualifications or experience. I am always mindful that the military successfully places pilots in the most sophisticated aircraft for extremely demanding missions after less than 300 hours of flight training—so it can be done.
The majors will hire close to 5,000 pilots this year, representing about eight percent of their 63,000 pilots—busy, but manageable, although many major airlines have been limited in hiring by the number of pilots they can train. National carriers will hire about 6,800 new pilots, or about 35 percent of their current 19,500 pilot workforce—which probably is a little too hectic, but they’re getting the job done. The regional airlines, both jet and non-jet, will hire about 2,650 pilots each (5,300 total), representing a whopping 73 percent of their 7,200 pilots—which is very hard to do and some shortages are being reported.
The “pilot shortage” problem has more to do with qualified and experienced pilots not being in the right place at the right time, than with an overall pilot shortfall. The choice for some airlines may be to over-hire and stockpile pilots, or reduce the flying they do until they have the time to find and train replacement pilots, which easily could take several months. The point is, there is no lack of applicants; there may just be a shortage of qualified and experienced pilots at a particular airline, at least for the moment.
A few airlines, mostly in the regional category, have been unable to fill their classes. After experiencing more than 20 years of pilot surplus, it is easy for them to forget to reach out to applicants. In working with these airlines we often find they are not taking the steps they might to recruit for other career fields, like advertising and attending job fairs to promote opportunities at their airline. Occasionally, application/screening fees or high hiring minimums must be reevaluated to bring in more pilots more quickly. Usually, with some minor adjustments toward traditional recruiting techniques, these airlines are flush with qualified and experienced pilot applicants again.
Remember, most applicants are well above the FAA minimums to do the job, and all the airlines need to do is adjust their hiring standards to get all the “qualified and experienced” pilot applicants they need. Meanwhile, your job remains to be the best-qualified, most-experienced pilot you can until you get the job at the airline where you expect to retire.

Happy job hunting!
Kit Darby
President & Publisher
 
Pilot shortage v. hiring boom

Very cagey, Kit. Now, you're playing games with "pilot shortage."

No, there is no shortage of people who want to be pilots. But, Kit, are jobs going wanting for lack of pilots? I don't think so, Kit.

I'm sure that Nancy Stuke at United has told you that her files are bulging with thousands of qualified applicants. I am careful to use your terminology, Kit. "Qualified" applicants. I mean, for example, such folks as extremely experienced commuter pilots and well-qualified military pilots with thousands of hours in the heavies and not fast movers. Here, again, Kit, qualified and experienced. Not 350-hour wonders whom United has been known to hire.

I'm not talking about aviation magazine editors who lift your "statistics," Kit. Of course, it didn't hurt that you had FAPA advertise in a couple of these magazines. Checkbook journalism? Maybe. Just the same, reputable news media quoted your FAPA statistics in the mid-'80s as their source of stories about the "pilot shortage" and that forty-thousand pilots would be needed during the ten-year period beginning then.

I am not a semanticist, Kit. But, I do see and read words and understand their plain meaning, and I see through what you're saying.

Thanks for responding, Kit. I do respect that.
 
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Look Air Inc. is a business. They want to try to sell as much stuff as they can... I can't fault them for that. I am a member, and I do enjoy what they offer as far as airline information. Also I put the magazine in the bath room and read it while I cr@p.

But bobby you must remember that they are a business. Have you ever seen the commercial where McDonalds claims it insists on using "only the finest beef"? Do you think that is true? Do you really think Papa johns is the best because it uses the "freshest ingredients"?

The bottom line is any business is going to bend the truth to favor what they offer to get more customers. That's the way it is, thats the way it always has been, and that's the way it always will be.
 
A question and a UPS comment...

Kit....what is your personal opinion about PFT programs such as Gulfstream? I'm sure the career pilot magazine has been accepting advertising dollars from this outfit for years.

About UPS....we are not going to be hiring line pilots this year. I'm sticking my neck out a bit by saying that because I'm not a fortune teller...but that's my best guess and I'd put money on it. UPS may be hiring management pilots but these are not regular UPS, union, pilot positions....I would hate to see people be overly encouraged about UPS pilot hiring by seeing UPS management attending your conference.

I subscribed to FAPA years ago and felt like it was worth the money....especially the magazine. As I got older and wiser, and had more experience, I could see that you shouldn't believe everything you read....
 
"The funny thing is that I have never met anybody that was hired from AEPS or UPAS."

I interviewed and was offered 3 jobs as a direct result of being an AEPS member. Two 121 airlines and 1 freight company. All of them flying turbine equipment. I got what I paid for and at $10 a month it was money well spent.
 
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I have to call Mr Jim Dent of AEPS a liar

The Miami Herald article is a list of bankruptcy filings which is made public as is required by the courts

The name of the company and address match that of AEPS that we all know and love

If you check the links for the Department of State that Kit Darby posted you will also see that Jim Dent, AEPS, WED and the company AEPS that is noted in the bankruptcy filing are one and the same

So unless the Florida Secretary of State, the Bankruptcy Court and the Miami Herald are lying then Jim Dent and the crooks at AEPS are the liars

I guess the attitude that this is america and you can do what you want with your money is a good point but if we all followed suit then you could also say dont buy oil or work at Enron and let them do business as usual.

I am not saying that what AEPS does is illegal but I think it is certainly immoral and shameful

AEPS provides no service other than to promote companies that are usually PFT and take advantage of aspiring young pilots dreams to make a buck. Try to pick up an Aviation Career magazine without an article on some crappy operation like American Eagle or Gulfstream where all the pilots they interviewed sounded like the they planned to retire there.

Publisher says they have 85,000 members! Does anyone know how many aviation jobs are out there? I would venture a guess at less than 200 if you discount the few regionals and fractionals that are hiring. AEPS has less than 10 jobs that were posted during the last week. Your odds of AEPS getting you a job are about as good as getting on with Fedex with a DUI and a murder conviction and no turbine time

Without exception almost 90% of all the companies I have contacted through AEPS requested I pay for training, a type rating, or sign a contract where if I left in the first 5 years I owed them my firstborn. The rest received so many resumes through regular channels that the "AEPS applicant priority" was lost in the stack of 10,000 resumes

Nobody needs AEPS to land a job at Southwest, Fedex, or any of the majors that attend the Air Fairs but thats what theyll lead you to believe to get your money. The bottom line is no one would buy their magazine or attend their air fairs unless Southwest, Fedex and some of the other majors were there
 
Tomorrow I fly to PHX and I get to whiz in a cup as a part of a pre-employment whiz quiz for a dispatcher position advertised on AEPS, and also my first dispatch job was in response to an AEPS posting.

So, yes, people do get jobs off of AEPS. I usually send my own cover letter/resume instead of their database record, but I do consider what I pay to be well spent.

Would I have been hired not having been an AEPS member? Probably, but for me, as a dispatcher, its value is in the postings, as I dont have the time to sit there and surf the net looking at every airlines website each day/week seeing who's hiring what.
 
With all due respect dispatchers, airport managers, flight attendants, and mechanics dont count

None of those people are living on food stamps, spending $30,000 on ratings, another $60,000 on a college education and competing againist 5,000 other applicants for a single pilot position for which they are paid $18,000 to start after they have spent 10 yrs building flight time to realize their dream
 
Pretty **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed Arrogant statement

Hey Dude,
I think you need a refund on some of that $60K you spent on your college education, because if you took Philosophy 101 you'd have an understading of the "Seven Common Fallacies" in making a coherent argument.
Normally, I don't or wouldn't comment on a thread like this, but I take exception to your arrgoant asinine remarks about other aviation professionals not "counting". Typical pilot-type remarks that I'd expect from a sniveling, crybaby that wants it all and thinks the world owes him a favor and everyone else should demure to his obvious "superiority" because "I'm a pilot"....
Attitudes like your's are what gives the piloting profession a bad name with other aviation professionals and moreover is the distinction between a pilot and an aviator. I would say that you are a "pilot".

Regards,
ex-Navy Rotorhead and Airport Operations Officer
 
I second bobbysamd!!

Bobbysamd put it very well--thank you for standing up to "Kit" and his fabrications of a pilot shortage! There never was one and there never will be one. Spreading out this kind of information to drum up dollars from all those hopeful wannabes is a real sham.
 

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