Advice on starting a 125 cert.

[carl p]

I am looking for advice from those who have experience starting a 125 cert from scratch. I would like your opinion/advice/tips on resources, a time line, costs, and any other wisdom you have to offer. The aircraft is a 727, thanks!

 

[Spoolingbyu]

Shirley you can't be serious.

 

[siucavflight]

I think he is serious, and you can call me shirley!

 

[gret]

Docket Number:​

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DOT–OST–2008–​

0067.​

Date Filed:​

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February 22, 2008.​

Due Date for Answers, Conforming
Applications, or Motion to Modify
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March 14, 2008.​

Description:​

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Application of Priester
Aviation, LLC ‘‘Priester’’ requesting a
certificate of public convenience and
necessity to engage in foreign charter air
transportation of persons, property and
mail in large aircraft so that Priester may
provide on-demand single-entity charter
service using executive-configured​

Boeing 727 aircraft.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I am looking for advice from those who have experience starting a 125 cert from scratch. I would like your opinion/advice/tips on resources, a time line, costs, and any other wisdom you have to offer. The aircraft is a 727, thanks!

What about flying under 139 instead?

 

[Jim]

I am looking for advice from those who have experience starting a 125 cert from scratch. I would like your opinion/advice/tips on resources, a time line, costs, and any other wisdom you have to offer. The aircraft is a 727, thanks!

I can point you in the direction of a friend who has a aviation mangement business and currently has a 727 on a 125 certificate he started. However, he does this as a business and is going to charge you a fee.

 

[Gear Up!]

A Fee??? Not in Aviation...

 

[siucavflight]

Docket Number:​

DOT–OST–2008–​

0067.​

Date Filed:​

February 22, 2008.​

Due Date for Answers, Conforming
Applications, or Motion to Modify
Scope:​

March 14, 2008.​

Description:​

Application of Priester
Aviation, LLC ‘‘Priester’’ requesting a
certificate of public convenience and
necessity to engage in foreign charter air
transportation of persons, property and
mail in large aircraft so that Priester may
provide on-demand single-entity charter
service using executive-configured​

Boeing 727 aircraft.

How was that helpful?

 

[gret]

Priester Aviation (mgmt company) out of Chicago just received one last year. This is the public record of the application.

 

[siucavflight]

That is the only thing that they had to fill out? And I am very familiar with Priester, do you work there?

 

[gret]

No, the point was to reference the docket number so one could go to the application.

Here it is-

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostdocket2008/ost080066.html

 

[Rick1128]

You actually do all the work yourself, just study FAA Order 8900.10 and it outlines the process for you. However, it can quite frustrating. Presently according to my sources, the FAA is issuing NO new operating certificates. They claim they are over worked and under staffed to do any more than deal with the operators they have. Personally if they would stop trying to invent regulations to enforce and just enforce the regs on the books they would have many of the problems they presently do. A 125 certificate is considered less important than 121 or 135 certificates so those applicates would be handled last. I did a single pilot certificate several years ago and it took my over 6 months, so I would plan on a year or more. A quicker route would be find a 125 certifcate for sale. However, legal you can not buy just the certificate, you have to buy the company holding the certifcate.

 

[CitationUltra]

Be aware that the FAA is planning to eliminate 125 and require the certificate holders to convert to 121 or surrender their certificates at some point in the not-distant future.

 

[carl p]

Be aware that the FAA is planning to eliminate 125 and require the certificate holders to convert to 121 or surrender their certificates at some point in the not-distant future.

Interesting, I was told by the FAA that all Pt 91 deviations are being canceled and that operators with those deviations must go 125.

 

[carl p]

You actually do all the work yourself, just study FAA Order 8900.10 and it outlines the process for you. However, it can quite frustrating. Presently according to my sources, the FAA is issuing NO new operating certificates. They claim they are over worked and under staffed to do any more than deal with the operators they have. Personally if they would stop trying to invent regulations to enforce and just enforce the regs on the books they would have many of the problems they presently do. A 125 certificate is considered less important than 121 or 135 certificates so those applicates would be handled last. I did a single pilot certificate several years ago and it took my over 6 months, so I would plan on a year or more. A quicker route would be find a 125 certifcate for sale. However, legal you can not buy just the certificate, you have to buy the company holding the certifcate.

This is what I am expecting, just looking for tips and mistakes others have made so that I may avoid them.

 

[carl p]

I can point you in the direction of a friend who has a aviation mangement business and currently has a 727 on a 125 certificate he started. However, he does this as a business and is going to charge you a fee.

Can you PM me the contact info, and ballpark fee please.

 

[CitationUltra]

Interesting, I was told by the FAA that all Pt 91 deviations are being canceled and that operators with those deviations must go 125.

Probably not the first time we've gotten conflicting information from them.

 

[fokkerjet]

Interesting, I was told by the FAA that all Pt 91 deviations are being canceled and that operators with those deviations must go 125.

Not true. We were going to have to comply with 125, but we were not required to obtain the certificate.