Add 'pilot' to list of jobs that aren't so great now

[Flyer1015]

This guy is so screwed. Everyone knows that you don't talk to the media, and you don't EVER give your name. I hope he likes it at JB, because he's stuck there for ever! He's ruined any chance to move down to a legacy carrier!

Why would he be crazy enough to leave JetBlue for a legacy carrier? Save for Delta/Northwest, Jetblue pilots are the highest paid Airbus 320 pilots in America. And they don't lose 1.95% of their pay to show for nothing, either. ZING!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Why would he be crazy enough to leave JetBlue for a legacy carrier? Save for Delta/Northwest, Jetblue pilots are the highest paid Airbus 320 pilots in America. And they don't lose 1.95% of their pay to show for nothing, either. ZING!

Not when total compensation and benefits is considered...

 

[WayBack]

Why would he be crazy enough to leave JetBlue for a legacy carrier? Save for Delta/Northwest, Jetblue pilots are the highest paid Airbus 320 pilots in America. And they don't lose 1.95% of their pay to show for nothing, either. ZING!

It was part of my sarcastic humor, I was referring back to all the comments about the SKW FO thread. Where people were saying he's screwed if he plans to move UP to the majors, because he spoke to the media and left his name.
That's why I said "move DOWN to a legacy". har har har.

 

[WayBack]

Not when total compensation and benefits is considered...

really? Let me guess, you're referring to the ALPA total compensation and benefits? Otherwise, JB blows the doors off any legacy carrier.
How ironic is it, that JB is full of furloughed USAir, UAL and other former ALPA pilots. And ALPA didn't get the vote. Wow, maybe because they've "been there, done that, got the magazine subscription"?

 

[CX880]

really? Let me guess, you're referring to the ALPA total compensation and benefits? Otherwise, JB blows the doors off any legacy carrier.
How ironic is it, that JB is full of furloughed USAir, UAL and other former ALPA pilots. And ALPA didn't get the vote. Wow, maybe because they've "been there, done that, got the magazine subscription"?

Let's face it, the fear of ALPA is the reason they got that raise. And the management probably had a little cash now that they've been successfully profitable for almost a decade.............

 

[acaTerry]

You guys are FOS.

My job at the regionals has improved in every measure in the last ten years.

Now as far as the overall career prospect at the majors? Well yes, that is in the crapper.

But starting pay and QOL at the bottom has definitely improved at the regional level when compared to the loss of pay and QOL at the majors over the same period.

So tell me what good all those "improvements" are if you will NEVER leave the regionals.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Let's face it, the fear of ALPA is the reason they got that raise. And the management probably had a little cash now that they've been successfully profitable for almost a decade.............

Talk about a bubble... jb doesn't have international operations and they don't have experienced pilots on 20+ year pay. What they do have are pilots with a rampers benefits package. Education, responsibility and training of a pilot = benefits fit for a ramper.

Every management team covets first year pay. So much effort is put into recycling labor over and back to first year pay....

If jetblue is going to be compared to legacy airlines then the markets and models must be similar too....

The pilots over there get it. Without a CBA they are just like a ramper. jb as a corporation by law has to give pilots the same bennies as rampers, FAs, gate agents and other employees. Only until the pilots organize and gain the right under the RLA, will they be able to negotiate a benefits package that they deem is worthy of the education, training and responsibility of flying a jet...

 

[StarChecker]

The pilots over there get it. Without a CBA they are just like a ramper. jb as a corporation by law has to give pilots the same bennies as rampers, FAs, gate agents and other employees. Only until the pilots organize and gain the right under the RLA, will they be able to negotiate a benefits package that they deem is worthy of the education, training and responsibility of flying a jet...

Ding ding ding....


Well said. I only hope 51% of us "get it".

 

[CitationLover]

The pilots over there get it. Without a CBA they are just like a ramper. jb as a corporation by law has to give pilots the same bennies as rampers, FAs, gate agents and other employees. Only until the pilots organize and gain the right under the RLA, will they be able to negotiate a benefits package that they deem is worthy of the education, training and responsibility of flying a jet...

You do realize a lot of people get along with their employers outside of a union, every day in this country?

Didn't ALPA negotiate the Mesa contract? How does that speak to the worthiness of the "education, training and responsibility of flying a jet..."?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nice try, but no.....

You do realize a lot of people get along with their employers outside of a union, every day in this country?

Probably over 85%. That isn't the point... note one of the most prosperoous times in our modern economy was the 1950s. Union membership was high. Business leaders accepted unions because the could agree on a contract that provided a period of stability. Management knew what its cost would be....

FFWD to today... working for a corporation is liken to totalitarianism. You have two choices. Like it or leave it. Your pay can be cut anytime. Health insurance increases.. anytime.... You have no say over the terms of your employment. It is like going to buy a car and being told the price, the loan amount, the percentage and the duration. Like it or leave it.

An indication of freedom and liberty is the ability to negotiate the terms in which you live and work.

As long as we continue to have others dictate the terms of our lives in America all while we believe we are the best in the world, we will be true suckers....

Didn't ALPA negotiate the Mesa contract? How does that speak to the worthiness of the "education, training and responsibility of flying a jet..."?

It starts with outsourcing and probably ends there as well.


At least the Mesa pilots are represented. JB is part fo the ATA.. its own "union" on CapHill.... who represents the jb pilots on CapHill?

 

[CX880]

Talk about a bubble... jb doesn't have international operations and they don't have experienced pilots on 20+ year pay. What they do have are pilots with a rampers benefits package. Education, responsibility and training of a pilot = benefits fit for a ramper.

Every management team covets first year pay. So much effort is put into recycling labor over and back to first year pay....

If jetblue is going to be compared to legacy airlines then the markets and models must be similar too....

The pilots over there get it. Without a CBA they are just like a ramper. jb as a corporation by law has to give pilots the same bennies as rampers, FAs, gate agents and other employees. Only until the pilots organize and gain the right under the RLA, will they be able to negotiate a benefits package that they deem is worthy of the education, training and responsibility of flying a jet...

The alternative is actually forming a union, negotiate for half a decade, strike and get something you would have gotten on day one which the company did not have to give you because of the RLA! Sounds to me that instead of the management scaring the pilots into concessions they got a good system going where they scare them into forming a union and things get done quicker. Some management out there do get along and actually appreciate the labor group but obviously it's because of the fear of ALPA or the union.