"ACEY" to remain call sign!

[bigshooter107]

Learn the process. The seniority list cannot happen or even be talked about until a single contract has happened. Anything you "hear" about is nothing.

Exactly this...

 

[COOPERVANE]

It also just stirs the pot. This kind of false rumor just serves to alienate and divide everybody.

Can we lay off the snarkyness until we are integrated? Sometime in 2014?

 

[Baronman]

Pretty sure nothing is really being worked on. I mean, we're never going to agree on the list integration. I heard XJT's opener included a 5-1 ratio in their favor. I mean, WTF is up with these guys. 20%, 5-1, no PBS, etc., etc...

Just look at what QANTAS is doing this weekend. These managers are playing hardball in this jacked up "global economy" where outsourcing is the name of the game.

Yeah,you heard right. No P B S. That's about the only thing you got right. You can add to that not cutting our sick time accrual, 401k B fund, or per diem.

 

[COOPERVANE]

ASA's sick accrual is pathetic. Also our system of "occurrences" needs to die.

1. Got into a huge auto accident and in a coma?....that's 1 occurance
2. Just felt like blowing off work today? That's 1 occurance.

Only if we use FMLA do we not get an occurance. It's abuse of a federal program and mgmt knows it.

 

[eee]

I am not even sure about the no PBS statement. I know the MEC has looked into the PBS system, but there has been no definite statements about any part of the negotiations.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

You guys are like a bunch of women just sitting around making up rumors as you go to have something to bitch about.

Nobody is talking about seniority at all that's waaay off in the future.

 

[sunlitpath]

Dig a nice fox hole. These types of negotiations tend to take a while, and they are often quite grueling. As long as both MECs don't get caught up in a marathon whizzing match, there is no reason to expect an unfair outcome. I have met all of the ASA union reps, and most of them seem reasonable. The ExpressJet reps do not appear to be any different. They seem to care about their pilot group and appear to have an interest in preserving their contractual QOL work rules, just like ASA reps. I think it would be helpful if they each communicated their positions on open sections more effectively and more frequently.

 

[ASAFOE120]

PBS built me a schedule with weekends off and 8 days off over Thanksgiving. Exactly what I asked it to do. And I am not that senior of a captain here either. There is no way that the ASA planning department will ever build a schedule under line bidding that will have that. And if y'all think you will just trade to get those days off, don't count on it. Everyday over the summer and holidays is "low coverage" and all trades to produce this kind of schedule will be denied.

So now you PBS haters will say "well we will get it in the new contract that we can trade whatever and whenever etc...". Don't count on that! The last time we tried that in negotiations Jerry took some of our 700's and put them at Skyw. The results: bunch of guys downgraded and displaced.

Don't think he will do that again? Just test the waters and piss him off and see. And don't give me that crap about "well just burn the place down then". Lots of us need this job until something better comes along.

 

[centralpilot]

PBS built me a schedule with weekends off and 8 days off over Thanksgiving. Exactly what I asked it to do. And I am not that senior of a captain here either. There is no way that the ASA planning department will ever build a schedule under line bidding that will have that. And if y'all think you will just trade to get those days off, don't count on it. Everyday over the summer and holidays is "low coverage" and all trades to produce this kind of schedule will be denied.

^ That

 

[Baronman]

^ That

Ever hear of bad day/worse day trades?

Guess what, there will be schedules produced via line bidding and PBS that will have pilots flying over thanksgiving. I'm fairly junior and I got thanksgiving off too. I was also able to shift around my trips because we have plenty of open time to trade with and bad day worse day rules always allowing us to shift into days of worse coverage.

Next thing you'll tell me is that we need your RSV rules so as not to upset Jerry.

 

[centralpilot]

Next thing you'll tell me is that we need your RSV rules so as not to upset Jerry.

I've never argued for taking concessions to help the company. I'm just saying that PBS has given me better schedules and improved my QOL. Going back to line bidding could be a concession from my point of view. Pardon me if I agree with someone who is having the same positive experience.

 

[enuffalready]

I've never argued for taking concessions to help the company. I'm just saying that PBS has given me better schedules and improved my QOL. Going back to line bidding could be a concession from my point of view. Pardon me if I agree with someone who is having the same positive experience.

i agree... completely... i do NOT want to go back to line bidding. PBS has been a tremendous improvement

 

[fo.mafia.4 life]

i agree... completely... i do NOT want to go back to line bidding. PBS has been a tremendous improvement

I'll third this. I have no interest in going back to line bidding, ever. Yes, I know all about bad day / worse day and your line improvement windows.... Still not interested. I also know about something you legacy Expressjet guys might not have figured out yet. ASA management's ability to invent stuff that will take away your ability to utilize these tools. Ever heard of a red arrow day? Neither did we until they just magically appeared on the open-time board. And don't think for a second that they view anything in your contract as water tight. They operate under the theory "do what we want now, worry about the grievance when it's heard three years from now." OH and I'm for PBS because I like it, not because I'm scared of management. I will be fine long after this place is under or I move on.

 

[pilotkppsg]

We got to keep something, amazing!

We got your management for the most part, new uniforms, new FOM formatted to yours, your ac logbooks (Discrepancy Report), and we are already adopting many of your cockpit and cabin procedures. Yes, y'all finally got to keep "something," I'm sure you'll miss the mandatory hats as well.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Yes, y'all finally got to keep "something," I'm sure you'll miss the mandatory hats as well.

Nope I hate those things haven't worn it in 10 years! Adios hat

 

[Freebrd]

Me thinks the reason we got rid of the hats was to save the Co the expense of buying everyone new hats. Say around $80 a pop times what, 3800 pilots? 300+ grand man!

But glad they're optional as well. :smash:

 

[dojetdriver]

I've never argued for taking concessions to help the company. I'm just saying that PBS has given me better schedules and improved my QOL. Going back to line bidding could be a concession from my point of view. Pardon me if I agree with someone who is having the same positive experience.

You're a smart guy and I respect your opinion.

But good grief man, who many times do we need to cover it?

YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SH1TTY/SUBSTANDARD LINE BID SYSEM THAT ASA USED TO HAVE.

AGAIN, if the ASA side of the house ACTUALLY did as much research on the XJT line bid work rules as the other way around, these discussions would ALL be different.

 

[Plainsman]

How will all the ****************************** bag captains who wear them in the summer demand respect.

 

[centralpilot]

You're a smart guy and I respect your opinion.

Likewise

But good grief man, who many times do we need to cover it?

Hey, I didn't hijack this thread. Baronman insinuated that I support PBS because it helps the company. Nothing could be further from the truth. In any case I agree that we're beating a dead horse at this point.

 

[OCP]

I've heard all about your line bidding process. But one of the facts is the bottom (roughly) 30% of your list is on reserve and all those guys are fling all the crap that you trade away with no choice but to do it. On our side its like 5% reserve and 95% of us get to choose what we want to fly. Even some of the most junior people, who under ANY line bidding would be flying all the weekends, can eek out a weekend here and there with PBS. There is just SO much variety and so many people with so many different ideas of what they want to fly, that pretty much everyone seems to get about what they want, or are at least happy with what they get.