ACA Grow or Flush?

[Cappy]

Um, Cappy, you must been polishing your ALPA pin and missed him bashing ACA for folding after 10 months and getting a bad contract and not raising the bar and yada yada yada. I think he's right, we do have a crappy contract. But then again so does everyone else. But it's better than what there was, at least that's what they keep telling everyone...

You are **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** right I polish my ALPA pin! I can tell you first hand how hard a union of pilots has to fight for everything they get! I find it quite amusing that you have no trouble criticizing your union reps on a public web site, yet hold no contemt for those (read Skywest) that will NEVER have the power nor desire to "raise the bar" as you say.

I don't have a problem with anyone criticizing our contract, which consists of MUCH more in gains than just hourly rates, by the way. I'm sure you must have MANY great ways and plans to improve ACA's contract. So why don't you, yes YOU, run for IAD LEC Captain or First Officer Rep (whatever you are) since the nominations are now shelved until October?

Remember sideshow "a union is only as strong or weak as it's membership participates".


"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them".

Eric Hoffer



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"It takes a big man to cry. It takes a bigger man to laugh at that man".


Blue Skies

 

[Blueridge]

>>As far as having any thing against the ACA pilots, well, most all Comair pilots will never forget the ACA+I% CRAP we had to fight while we were on strike.

You people folded after just 10 months of negotiations while we were fighting for our lives to get a great contract for 3 plus years. ACA pilots did nothing to raise the bar, and as far as I am concerned, are a bunch of sell outs. <<

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AFELLOWAVIATOR,

As an ACA pilot, I couldn't care less what you think of ACA or its pilots. I would ask you to remember, however, that while you were going through all that "CRAP" during the strike, it was, in part, all of us "sell-outs" who were writing you checks while you were on the street. We were also some of the same guys walking the picket lines with you. I would never expect you to say "thanks" but just think about that the next time you feel the need to spout off about ACA.

I have nothing but respect for your fellow Comair pilots. I am confident that your opinions are not reflected in the rest of the pilot group.

-Blueridge

 

[AirBoard]

Blah, blah, blah....can't we all just get along.

I have to chime in wrt to ACA operational performance. Continually we're compared to Comair, Skywest, ASA who operate different AC types and different locations. The Dornier 328 has been a maintenace PIG. Our maint. is practically re wriiting the manuals for it with liitle support from Germany (Insolvent). Now the CRJ is vacuum tubes compared to the 328 and is more reliable - how was it in the early 90's for Comair as launch customer - bet you got a lot of support from Bombardier...

Operating in the Eastern corridor is no freakin' picnic either. How can you lump ACA DCI's BOS and LGA on time performance against that of Comair CVG and Skywest SLC etc. There's no comparison, sooner or later Lagarbage is going to drag your numbers down. CVG is a well oiled machine. I'd like to see ACA's CVG specific ops numbers cause I bet there not too bad.

 

[walkthasky]

unbelievable...

I cant believe how some people bitch and bitch and yell and try to bring each others jobs down. Right now its just nice to have a job, and to hear all this complaining and bashing is unreal. Ive been in the airlines for just about 2 years now, and i know thats not that long, but i have always been so surprised how everyone wants to put each others job down. I think its the last thing we should worry about especially with the way things are. Trust me, it pisses me off too to hear people bashing on my job and the company i work for, but people like that have to be ignored, because it just brings everyone down, including myself...

Just my 2 cents...

 

[AirBoard]

Re: unbelievable...

'I cant believe how some people bitch and bitch and yell and try to bring each others jobs down. Right now its just nice to have a job, and to hear all this complaining and bashing is unreal'

It's the nature of the beast. Get used to it. Just because people are working doesn't mean they won't have issues - the issues will just be relative to their situation (in this case employment).

 

[walkthasky]

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[EOpilot]

When it comes to people acting superior and bashing other airlines, do what I do and just ignore it. Crap like that just rolls off my back. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about ACA, just as long as I like it.

And I don't think there will ever be a time when anyone is completely satisfied with their job, either. You can always get more pay or better benefits, but why occupy all your free time worrying about it?

Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.


(former) EOPilot

 

[750driver]

Well, this thread is disappointing, to say the least. The industry is in a state of turmoil; with fellow pilots on the street everywhere we turn. If we can't even get along as professionals, how will this industry survive?

Let's face it, no airline is perfect. There are pros and cons to working at any company, but to sit here and publicly tear someone's employer down on the forum .... Well, that's downright unprofessional in my opinion. "AFELLOWAVIATOR" should learn to keep his negative commentary to himself. The last thing we all need right now is someone tearing this industry down even further with this type of dissention.

I worked at ACA for three years. They were always a professional organization, and treated us well. As far as selling out .... that's BS. The MEC negotiated the best way possible at the time in question. If you feel that ACA pilots wronged you in any way, just feel free to send your strike pay back. No personal checks please

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

WOW!

I seemed to of upset a lot of non union leaches and under performing pilots hear.
Some one posted ONE WEEKS perfornance numbers . So what. Lets look back six months as a whole and see who is in the basement. Geez!
Actually, at LGA, our performance has always been well above ACA"s.

There is a deep rooted feeling at Comair that ACA pilots sold out the industry with there pathetic 10 month bargaining. The damage is done, and now with the J4J crap unfolding at USSCARE, we have no hope of ever accomplishing what we set out to do, which was over time bring the Regional contracts up to par with mainlines.
ALPA Nat. , in endorsing the J4J crap, has said to mgt. that we were wrong and foolish to set goals so high.

When I heard ACA pilots buying off on the "pie" theory there mgt. gave them, we were in shock that they would fold so quickly.

You people never saw the big picture, and will go down in history as a pilot group who helped mgt. win the war of the "small jet"

 

[750driver]

WOW!

I seemed to of upset a lot of non union leaches and under performing pilots hear.

I'm not sure what language this was written in, but if you are referring to me as an under-performing, non-union leach, PM me and we'll discuss it one-on-one.

I can document plenty of years of paid ALPA dues, so get off you high horse. If "under-performing" is in reference to my current status, keep this in mind ... you and your superior company can be next. No one is above furlough. I do feel sorry for the poor sap that has to sit with you and your ego for an entire rotation.

 

[750driver]

Disregard ...

 

[C-5 MEM]

750driver,
I don't know about this guy. Really, I don't think he works for the airline. I think he is in here to start up crap.

 

[46Driver]

Concur with C141FE. I know some of the Comair bubbas and they are regular guys - this just sounds like bait.

 

[750driver]

C141FE / 46driver:

I'm sure you guys are right. I just can't listen to this guy bashing my old company for no reason. Many friends of mine work for both ACA and Comair, and I know this guy doesn't represent the way they feel

 

[C-5 MEM]

I have been with ACA for about 3months now. I know those who left and went to other airlines with bad blood. I am an ALPA member and I would never bash anyone for not being in an union calling them names. Now I will say I have names for those who cross the picket line.
If this guy is for real, I would like for him to met at his hub and discuss this problems in person, instead of behind a computer.