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[Kittyhawk1048]

Like I said

Well I guess someone up there feels that they know me but they dont. Sorry never worked for Comair. I only work major carriers big boy. Get your facts straight shooter and ABX DX. I will leave a place open for youat UAL. Left 2 years ago

 

[comair1048]

Hey Guys

Sorry but Kittyhawk1048 is not me. I had a great time when I was up at ABX the people are great and I learned alot. The schedule just didnt work with my life. Kittyhwak1048 has no clue what he is talking about. I admire and respect the people that work up in Wilmington OH. ABX Air has a great training dept and the dispatchers are top notch I am proud to say I worked there.

 

[shooter]

Well I guess someone up there feels that they know me but they dont. Sorry never worked for Comair. I only work major carriers big boy. Get your facts straight shooter and ABX DX. I will leave a place open for youat UAL. Left 2 years ago

I was asked to pass this on .....

Hey Kittyhawk 1048

This is Dave Taylor from ABX Flight Control, I have been here for close to 15 years and I'm sure you know who I am. As stated by many, ABX has its problems but over all a good place to work. I have been here for the bad and the good and It's what you want to make out of it that counts. By the sound of things you were too concerned about your personal comforts to be an effective employee. Maybe you'll mature a little with age and come to realize that you have to look for the good or else all you will see is the bad.

P.S. Why don't you use your real name? Are you ashamed of who you are?


What I have to say is only few people left 2 years ago, we know them and you do not fit. And at the same time UAL was in BK and letting people go. So just how did you get in when good people were being let go?

lies, all lies
:nuts:

 

[SKC]

We use Jepp's latest program for flight planning, yet we still print them out and make revisions manually.

We also list runway performance information on each release.

Name just ONE company in which you wouldn't be at the bottom of the seniority list for quite some time.

 

[abxdx]

Lets put an end to this fued!!!! We all know that Kittyhawk1048 and Comair1048 are the same person. We know you make 12.50 an hour at Shuttle America.. (although you do have a top notch fridge). We know that your dispatch experience consists of 2 years at COMAIR and 3 months here at ABX. We just want you to shut your mouth about ABX because you have no clue what you are talking about. You never worked for UAL and probably never will since we know plenty of people at that airline not to mention every other major carrier in the U.S. So just worry about how you are gonna spend that paycheck in downtown FWA and quit bashing airlines that you could not hack it at.

Everyone that reads this forum be put on notice that nothing that COMAIR/KITTYHAWK 1048 says is true, just a disgruntled dispatcher.

 

[abxdx]

ss9e wanted to know if we could get some general info on your payroll structure that we could take to our management

 

[Duster41]

It's interesting how different one dispatch office is different then the other. I do work for Comair and we don't manually print releases and our amendments are done electronically. And I've seen a number of dispatchers with more senority dispatch like it's the first day on the job, and others with less dispatch with a veteran touch, so that being said I don't care how long you been dispatching shooter, I only see what I see. The fridge and microwave is a little overboard, but since you think you know this guy that worked there, I have a guestion for you. Did you ever make him feel welcome there? If he was there only for a few months, then something must have set him off. I agree that your office might not be right for me and mine not right for you, but if a person doesn't feel welcome then you can't expect him to succeed. By the way the FAR'S says you dispatch to a airport not a runway.

I say all this not to bash ABX, I say this to look at both sides of the situation.

 

[shooter]

It's interesting how different one dispatch office is differnt then the other. I do work for Comair and we don't manually print releases and our amendments are done electronically. And I've seen a number of dispatchers with more senority dispatch like it's the first day on the job, and others with less dispatch with a veteran touch, so that being said I don't care how long you been dispatching shooter, I only see what I see. The fridge and microwave is a little overboard, but since you think you know this guy that worked there, I have a guestion for you. Did you ever make him feel welcome there? If he was there only for a few months, then something must have set him off. I agree that your office might not be right for me and mine not right for you, but if a person doesn't feel welcome then you can't expect him to suceed. By the way the FAR'S says you dispatch to a airport not a runway.

I say all this not to bash ABX, I say this to look at both sides of the situation.

It's interesting how different one dispatch office is differnt then the other. I do work for Comair and we don't manually print releases and our amendments are done electronically.

I wish we did. Save the trees not the e’s. So feel free to use that other e in different.

And I've seen a number of dispatchers with more senority dispatch like it's the first day on the job, and others with less dispatch with a veteran touch, so that being said I don't care how long you been dispatching shooter, i only see what I see.

I believe that’s what I said. Do you not understand the words I typed in my post? And just what is it that you see? Was it in Spanish? Because I do not know what "senority" is.

The fridge and microwave is a little overboard, but since you think you know this guy that worked there, I have a guestion for you. Did you ever make him feel welcome there?

What’s a guestion? And yes, I welcome everyone. Earning my respect, that’s another thing.

If he was only there a few months, then something must have set him off.

I do not know how long he/she was there. They never bothered to answer the question. Do you know they were only employed at ABX for a few months? Do you know this person or was your reply meant for another in this thread?

I agree that your office might not be right for me and mine not right for you, but if a person doesn't feel welcome then you can't expect him to suceed.

I never said your office was not right for me. It may be heaven on earth for all I know. What I do know is my office and it is not a bad place to be. I want others to know that. And don’t be shy with those c’s either. Just push them right out there with those e’s unless my dictionary needs suceed added to it.

By the way the FAR'S says you dispatch to a airport not a runway.

Yeah, and the Old Testament says god will never destroy the earth again for the evil that man does. Yet the New Testament says different. Maybe when you work with the little aircraft you do not need to concern yourself with trivial things like runway performance. But when you are Dispatching heavy’s, try to ignore that runway. It is there to show the crew that you looked at a particular runway under the conditions you specified. That’s just foolish to assume is means it is Dispatching to a runway when you add that to a flight release.

 

[shooter]

Sorry if I am coming off snippy Duster. I’m not feeling well and it was wrong to take it out on your post. It’s been a rough couple of days.

 

[Kittyhawk1048]

Runway READ YOUR FARS!!!!!!!! Heavy vs. Passenger ABX? Hmm dont think so

Sorry if I am coming off snippy Duster. I’m not feeling well and it was wrong to take it out on your post. It’s been a rough couple of days.

Well I have dispatched heavy jets and I will tell you runways dont mean a thing shooter. When you are dispatching to ORD how can you tell what runway they are using if they open and close runways every half hour? That is why as duster said YOU DISPATCH TO A AIRPORT NOT A RUNWAY. Read your FARS it is in there in black and white. Dispatching a heavy is not nearly as difficult as dispatching part 121. Do you deal with passengers? NO Do you deal with Ground delay programs? NO Do you deal with customer service agents? NO All you deal with up there at ABX is putting the fuel on and that is it. You dont deal with what a passenger carrier deals with and plus ILN is only for ABX. Not like Fed-ex and UPS you have to share with passenger carriers. On my next post I can put a quote from the FARS if you would like.
Or better yet ask the man that sits in the office next to the training room I am sure he knows what the FAR regarding dispatching to an airport is rather than a runway. Yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SKC]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Dispatching a heavy is not nearly as difficult as dispatching part 121.

First of all, dispatching is NOT a difficult job. There are many things to keep an eye on, but brain surgery it isn't.

An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Some just have larger numbers involved. Whether it carries 100 or 500 people, it's essentially the same process.

Do you deal with passengers?

A dispatcher doesn't deal with passengers. A dispatcher plans for a specific payload (i.e. amount of boxes/number of people). Boxes, people, it's doesn't matter because your job is handled the same.

Do you deal with ground delay programs?

I'm guessing that would depend upon if you were operating into an airport that had a GDP issued for it.

Do you deal with customer service agents?

Customer service agents, charter customers, tour ops, they all look for the same info. If you give them quality information (i.e. give them updates when you say you will regardless whether good or bad), they won't seem near as bothersome.

Now you two need to put your ****s back in your pants, your rulers back in the desk and get to work.

 

[ss9e]

First of all, dispatching is NOT a difficult job. There are many things to keep an eye on, but brain surgery it isn't.

i beg to differ. i'll give you two different aspects which make dispatching difficult. first, at the regionals the workload is so high that you can barely keep up. it isn't uncommon for regional dispatchers to do up to, if not more than, 100 releases in a 10 hour shift. if all you had to do was releases, this probably wouldn't be a big deal. but when you have 40+ planes in the air that you are responsible for flight following, plus the releases, it gets to be a bit much. i didn't even take into account bad weather, gdps, or other unforeseen issues.

second, at the big carriers with international flights, your flight plans are so complicated and detail oriented that they can take an hour or more to prepare. every region of the world has it's own sets of rules. you have to look at weather and notams not only for departure and arrival, rerelease airports weather and notams, enroute weather, you have to look at all the FIR boundary notams, the crossing track structures, foreign atc agencies, etc. contrary to popular belief among pilots. dispatchers do work hard and you do NEED dispatchers.

 

[Duster41]

Shooter:
The remark I made about years in dispatching was in regards to abdx remark of "dispatching for 10 years and been around". I'm new at this flightinfo site and haven't learned to use the quote box. And for my grammer, I should of post read my comments, but this brainless job of dispatching got me bored with the gdp's in the northeast and reroute arounnd the tropical depression from ATC. I guess I wasn't brain dead enough to do this job.
You're right about having concerns with a runway when landing and weights. Grant it, with heavy's, you don't have as much options concerning using multiple runways. The problem we have is our money is derived from pax loads. And CRJ don't have much leeway when fuel and weights are concerned. At least when dispatching to an airport ,and the winds are a concern, we have at least the opportunity to launch and take a look to see if the runway is legal to land on. If not then hold or divert.

I thought ss9e brought up some interesting comments about this job. Not to mention to hear a Pilot complain about taking an aircraft with a pac deferred, or to deal with a gate agent when you bump pax to add an alternate because Wilmington likes to "now forecast".Another easy part of my job is when a TSRA develops around PIT and LGA, JFK, and BOS basically stops departures because there are "no routes", but you look and going down through DC center is wide open. You reroute through DC center to LDN J134 HNN and arrival to CVG. You think they are good to go. But they sit at the end of the runway for clearance and none comes because Wash Center won't take them because of traffic. You look and see DL, UAL, AA all departing and you have missconnects sitting at the end of the runway just waiting for the phone call "Pilot Time Out". Yeah, Anyone can do this brainless job. Then there is..... I think I ranted long enough.

I guess SKC are one of those dispatchers that dispatch for years and really don't understand what dispatching is all about.

And Shooter please feel free to critique my comments....

 

[abxdx]

I really don't care if people think dispatching is hard or not. My only concern is that Kittyhawk gets on this website and bashes a place he only worked for for 3 months then left with no two week notice(screwing the rest of us). He also found it appropriate to post his resume for other airlines while he was in training here. Oh by the way the only heavy jets you have dispatched are the ones that you dispatched here.

I have no problem with anyone else in the forum, just this guy! I am sure we all work very hard for our paycheck. Some days harder than others.

My only concern is expose Kittyhawk as a fake and a liar. And to let everybody know that ABX is not that bad............................


If there was ever a so called "clown" here it was him!!!

 

[abxdx]

Kittyhawk why don't you fess up to who you really are? How is FWA today?

 

[abxdx]

Another thing Kittyhawk, ABX is part 121 you gimp!!!

Your quote about heavy jets being easy compared to 121 makes no sense at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SKC]

ss9e and Duster..

I'm not advocating getting rid of dispatchers. I'm not slamming the very thing I do. I certainly don't think that I'm the best one out there.

What I was saying is that although it is a task oriented job that many times requires dozens of steps, it's not a difficult thing to do. Let's not confuse high workload with difficulty, but I guess that's just symantics.

I guess SKC are one of those dispatchers that dispatch for years and really don't understand what dispatching is all about.

Or, just maybe, I approach the job with the attitude that I'm just one cog in the wheel of this airline, and that I alone can't make it work. I have to work WITH the arrogant Capt, the frustrated gate agent, the overloaded ATC specialist, the pissed off mgmt person, so I come to work and leave that chip on my shoulder at home. Over the years I've discovered that it's the only way to efficiently do this job.

ss9e, if it's taking more than an hour to complete one scheduled international flight release, something is wrong (unless you're dealing with a primitive flight planning system). If it's a non-sched adhoc flight that's a different deal if you're having to obtain overflight permits at the time of departure. That can actually take some time. The actual planning process is still fairly straight forward.

 

[Duster41]

SKC:
Who says a dispatcher that cares about dispatching needs a chip on his shoulder? I come to work and enjoy what I do. Your right You alone can't make it work, But you could make a difference. I look back at the AA accident in LIT when the dispatcher at anytime could of diverted that flight away from TSRA, but chose not to do anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the dispatcher or saying he is a bad dispatcher. What I am saying is we have choices everyday about our flights and how we handle those choices makes a dispatcher. Sometimes you need a little chip on your shoulder to get the job done, sometimes you need to be more diplomatic, but to say that this job is easy and all you need to do is push a few buttons on a keyboard and that's it, is basically ludicrous (like that spelling shooter). Sure I can dispatch in my sleep when the forecast is VRB003KT P6SM SKC. This job isn't physical to say the lease, but mentally it could get to you. Like I said before, it doesn't matter how long you have been dispatching but how you dispatch. For someone to come on this board and basically say anyone, other then being braindead, can easily do this job.

 

[SKC]

I agree with most of what you said, but please show me where I said the "brain dead" could do this job. You won't find it, because it was never said. That's a word that you came up with. Nor did I say it could be done easily. Once again, that's something you created. I said it wasn't brain surgery. There's a massive gap between brain surgery and being brain dead.

 

[Duster41]

I guess it's just symantics