AA's Pilots Screw its Furloughee's

[General Lee]

There has never been a union "that stuck with its own." "Sticking with each other" for "unity" is a sales job of opportunistic "leaders" at the top who ride the wave of whatever the majority wants. The premise of a union is that mobs have passions that can be manipulated and wielded in order to get more, especially for those smart enough to be elected to wield those passions.

Exploitation by majority is simply what unions were born for. Notions of our duty to unity help obscure and obviate a firm grasp of the distasteful reality.

Yes, but what your group did was far worse. Everyone, including the company and both pilot groups, signed on the bottom line for an agreed upon process and arbitrator. The APA wasn't nice to any other group also, but they never agreed to binding arbitration. Your group put that process into question, from now on. Everyone will now ask prior to entering arbitration, "are they going to pull a USAir?" Shame on you.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

The furloughee's took the hit for the rest of the pilots so they could stay employed,

What was their other option? Folks get furloughed because they are junior. There is nothing altruistic about opening a letter that says you're furloughed. Volunteering to take a personal unpaid leave so a more junior guy can get his job back, that's noble. Rebuilding an airline from the brink so that a furloughed guy has someplace to come back to- that's admirable.

Bemoaning the fact that folks who were not employees are not sharing in the benefits of employees is just childish.

 

[Turtle21]

What was their other option? Folks get furloughed because they are junior. There is nothing altruistic about opening a letter that says you're furloughed. Volunteering to take a personal unpaid leave so a more junior guy can get his job back, that's noble. Rebuilding an airline from the brink so that a furloughed guy has someplace to come back to- that's admirable.

Bemoaning the fact that folks who were not employees are not sharing in the benefits of employees is just childish.

There is no necessity to justify what the majority does, beyond saying, "it's what we all voted for." Don't forget it!

 

[General Lee]

There is no necessity to justify what the majority does, beyond saying, "it's what we all voted for." Don't forget it!

The Majority also don't want to give up their belongings lost in a divorce hearing, but you still have to comply, just like you will with the NIC award. You all signed up and signed on the bottom line, and we all know it. Sorry loser.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[bendover]

Furloghed aa pilots have a seniority number at aa and are union members, for them to be excluded is a crime.

 

[flyboyike]

All other Real pilots unions treat the furloughee's with respect....

Since when?

 

[Smarta$$]

Furloghed aa pilots have a seniority number at aa and are union members, for them to be excluded is a crime.

Go back before the deadline.

 

[OHGOON]

Go back before the deadline.

Not the point! Some cannot and will miss out... No earthly reason it should be that.

 

[Smarta$$]

Not the point! Some cannot and will miss out... No earthly reason it should be that.

Pilots are exceptionally greedy and self centered. This decision by the APA does not surprise me at all, it is what pilots do, especially the senior pilots that usually run and control unions and negotiations.

As for the person who started this post, I am certain that he COULD go back in time, but probably wants to stay where he is until the last second to make the most money he can, and allow more people to get hired at AA so that he can go back as high up the list as possible. He will say that he is just concerned with others that have training contracts bla bla bla, but we all know pilots well enough to know that he cares primarily about himself, just like nearly ALL of the rest of the pilots...

No dog in this fight, and barely care at all. Just know how pilots think and strategerize...

 

[matchthehatch]

While I agree that pilots should be able to continue to defer and collect some of the equity, those of us who are taking pretty damn significant risks by returning now, and not waiting until things are sorted out, should be rewarded for taking those risks.