AAI Pilots Beware!!

[Lear70]

i think that's what will happen also, realistically speaking. the question will be what ratio will be used...that makes a big difference. Also, two year fence, and then a system re-bid...then a free-for-all and SLI will be officially over. Left seat only if your seniority can hold it...no seat protection, no base protection. That's realistic.

I would be highly shocked with a system re-bid (basically a bump-and-flush) with a new aircraft type. The training costs would be in the Millions.

I'd also be surprised with a fence longer than 3 years if the ratio puts people close to their DOH and 2 may be a bit short, simply because it will take that long to get everyone cross-trained onto Southwest's certificate not even mentioning if there's NEW hiring in the numbers that have been tossed around.

You have to train all our CA's on HUD procedures and everyone on non-auto-throttles under 10k (a number of our pilots freak out when you turn the A/T off - mostly 717 people or Space Cowboys), operations without simultaneous use of flaps and speed brakes, abandoning the use of AIN or FAC/GP, not to mention it's been a while (if ever after their Cessna days) any of our pilots have flown a jet on steam gauges (a lot of them came out of RJ's), plus training on your Ops Specs, orals, sim training, and check rides. That's going to take more than just a day of classroom and 1 sim session. Even 100 pilots through cross-training per month is 18 months, and yanking 25 pilots per week out of the system, even with our higher reserve staffing levels, will be problematic for scheduling, especially during peak travel times.

Just for operations and training's sake, I'd be a little surprised at only a 2 year fence. The rest of it, well... without commenting on what I find "fair and equitable", I certainly wouldn't bet against you on that prognostication. I learned a while back never to anticipate what an arbitrator will do... sometimes their decisions make no sense to EITHER party. DL is a good example (the company had already offered him his job back but with no back-pay and the arbitrator didn't even give him that), Twomey-Kasher is another (neither party asked for nor had any intent of assigning a minimum CREDIT value to a reserve pilot's day sitting, the arbitrator went way out in left field on that one and that's what started relations with management headed downhill).

THAT'S why I hope we see something outside of arbitration. I don't want some weird arbitration award that hoses one side so badly that the culture is irreparably damaged and poisons relations between our groups for years to come.

Happy New Year's everyone!

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Hey JonJuan, Papa was limp when he was with your Momma last night!

 

[Wesb737fo]

Seriously....tweet-a-lishus.....that's what your going with? You pick that name and start talking smack. I guess with only 8 posts we have to assume you are resurrected from some master flame bait specialist that got banned.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Lear, This whole purchase of AT is an expensive proposition. I know that people are crying no bump and flush for many different reasons but at some point SWA will have to absorb the initial training costs. It can be a one short term cost or a long term costs but either way they still have to pay for it. The logistics of the training will be more an issue than the money. The training/re-training itself will take at least 18 months but probably longer.

I doubt there will be a manning issue because you are overmanned when we use SWA pilot/ac ratios.

 

[Kharma Police]

Seriously....tweet-a-lishus.....that's what your going with? You pick that name and start talking smack. I guess with only 8 posts we have to assume you are resurrected from some master flame bait specialist that got banned.

He's more like, "tweet-a-lingus".

 

[Ty Webb]

I know that people are crying no bump and flush for many different reasons but at some point SWA will have to absorb the initial training costs. It can be a one short term cost or a long term costs but either way they still have to pay for it.

Huge difference between training for different Ops Specs and SOP's on the one hand, and full-blown initial type training on the other. If there was a "bump and flush", you could be talking about full-blown training on a new type for a quarter of the combined pilot list. Not going to happen, IMHO.

I doubt there will be a manning issue because you are overmanned when we use SWA pilot/ac ratios.

Maybe . . . It will be interesting to see how much of AirTran's manning difference is caused by our Crew Planning/Crew Scheduling inefficiencies, versus the type of flying we're doing (CDO's and Redeyes, mixing Domestic and Flag Ops, etc.). For years, the Pilots have complained of huge scheduling inefficiencies, I hope SWA's planners will prove we were right.

 

[ivauir]

You have to train all our CA's on HUD procedures

Just the 737 Captains.

and everyone on non-auto-throttles under 10k (a number of our pilots freak out when you turn the A/T off -

That restriction is gone.

operations without simultaneous use of flaps and speed brakes, abandoning the use of AIN or FAC/GP, not to mention it's been a while (if ever after their Cessna days) any of our pilots have flown a jet on steam gauges (a lot of them came out of RJ's), plus training on your Ops Specs, orals, sim training, and check rides. That's going to take more than just a day of classroom and 1 sim session. Even 100 pilots through cross-training per month is 18 months, and yanking 25 pilots per week out of the system, even with our higher reserve staffing levels, will be problematic for scheduling, especially during peak travel times.

Agree that it will take a while to SWAize AAI pilots, but the simplest solution is to leave the 717 procedures in place. Simple = cheap. My prediction is that there will be small changes, but nothing earth shattering initially.

Just for operations and training's sake, I'd be a little surprised at only a 2 year fence. The rest of it, well... without commenting on what I find "fair and equitable", I certainly wouldn't bet against you on that prognostication.

I won't make predictions either, but I wouldn't discount a longer fence. without making a prediction or a prognostication I don't want to be in the back with Ty and Papa flying together ...

I learned a while back never to anticipate what an arbitrator will do... sometimes their decisions make no sense to EITHER party. DL is a good example (the company had already offered him his job back but with no back-pay and the arbitrator didn't even give him that), Twomey-Kasher is another (neither party asked for nor had any intent of assigning a minimum CREDIT value to a reserve pilot's day sitting, the arbitrator went way out in left field on that one and that's what started relations with management headed downhill).

My understanding is that both sides have agreed to a panel of arbitrators, which should help avoid truly wacky decisions.

THAT'S why I hope we see something outside of arbitration. I don't want some weird arbitration award that hoses one side so badly that the culture is irreparably damaged and poisons relations between our groups for years to come.

Agreed. A non arbitrated decision would be amazing, but tough to achieve.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

No problem with manning......All trainees to the bottom and then out the door.....SEE YA, THANKS FOR PLAYING

 

[Kharma Police]

No problem with manning......All trainees to the bottom and then out the door.....SEE YA, THANKS FOR PLAYING

YAWN.......I suggest you review posts made by, "Instructor Dude", your weak attempts at flame baiting are getting quite tiresome and lame.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

GOT YA....you responded.....you trannies are so easy....