AAI conference call

[Pimpin']

So who is gonna start circulating the recall signature sheets? AP and the BOD need a wake up call!

 

[BFL370]

So can we count on you to run for office?

 

[Pimpin']

So can we count on you to run for office?

Sure thang Cuz! If you're happy with the current regime feel free to not participate.

 

[DougCorp-9]

thats what they want you to do...they get there on time and they screw you out of 5 minutes....

dont believe the hype.....

NO NO. Close the door. Get and go pee. wash your hands check your hair(if you have some). Chat with the girls. Get a cup of coffee. Clean your sunglasses and microphone. Thumb through USA today. Then after 5 minutes have past you start the Checklist.

 

[BFL370]

Pimpin dude its easy to talk shizit, just seeing if you would back up the words with action. Besides I need to know if Pimpin is your first or last name to look for on the ballot.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Talking about all the changes to our contract in this TA, we must remember that the Company is laying down the ground work for the next one in 2011.
Today they give us door closed +5 min. Next time they will take away 5 minutes and we'll have to give something up to get that back.
Today they say if they sub service 88 seat jets they lower their flying to only 10% of ours. Next contract they will change it to 20%.

If we agree to these concessions now they will try to get more next time.

No way.

 

[AFcitrus]

thats what they want you to do...they get there on time and they screw you out of 5 minutes....

dont believe the hype.....

Oh I'll get my 3-5 minutes back!! You can never be too careful when taxiing an aerospace vehicle. Safety is paramount and since we should only be taxiing at a brisk walk speed I'll be more than happy to follow that guidance.

Any of you ever try to briskly walk faster than 4 mph. Its pretty tough. My brisk walk is about 2 Kts.

 

[Av8tor]

www.IVOTENO.com what a POS TA!!!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Waiting for the Qand A? What is that?

 

[BFL370]

The real test will be to see who votes what after the pilots have had a say, and the Q&A's come to light. Dont think you will see a full BoD vote for it.

 

[BFL370]

Xarmflyr Guys who commute are on the BoD now, 2 for sure. The Q&A's are the non lawyer speak that defines the intent of the contract. It's just as serious as the wording. That can change the wording from crap to a slight sour taste or even better. The Q&A's were to be done before we knew we had a TA, but the company spilled the beans. And now the Pilots are pissed and they havent even read the full document. If it sucks it needs to die.

 

[Lear70]

Waiting for the Qand A? What is that?

The M&I or Meaning and Intent section.

There are several vague sections and the BOD asked senior management what they meant at the BOD meeting when they voted. Senior management answered (evidently to the BOD's satisfaction), and said they'd come up with exact wording.

So our NC is down in MCO right now finishing up that M&I language with Questions and Answers with specific scenarios to include in the T.A.

When they're done, you'll see the T.A. come out about 24-48 hours later. They are working through the weekend if they can't finish today.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Xarmflyr Guys who commute are on the BoD now, 2 for sure.

And how do you feel about their performance right about now?

 

[XRMEFLYER]

The M&I or Meaning and Intent section.

There are several vague sections and the BOD asked senior management what they meant at the BOD meeting when they voted. Senior management answered (evidently to the BOD's satisfaction), and said they'd come up with exact wording.

So our NC is down in MCO right now finishing up that M&I language with Questions and Answers with specific scenarios to include in the T.A.

When they're done, you'll see the T.A. come out about 24-48 hours later. They are working through the weekend if they can't finish today.

If this Q and A has meaning, then why did they vote on it before it was complete?

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Xarmflyr Guys who commute are on the BoD now, 2 for sure. The Q&A's are the non lawyer speak that defines the intent of the contract. It's just as serious as the wording. That can change the wording from crap to a slight sour taste or even better. The Q&A's were to be done before we knew we had a TA, but the company spilled the beans. And now the Pilots are pissed and they havent even read the full document. If it sucks it needs to die.

The Board didn't have to vote on whether to send this thing out to the membership before the Q and A was complete. If it means that much then it seems like maybe they should have waited until it was complete to make a decision.

As for reading the full document, I for one don't need to waste my time with that when it is already obvious from the lowlights posted on the NPA website that this is a concessionary dog that needs to be put down.

 

[BFL370]

Hell you may make them happy if you recall, spend time at home and drink beer? So whats the down side for them. If I was then Id say please. But a merger without the BoD, not very bright I'd be concerned.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Hell you may make them happy if you recall, spend time at home and drink beer? So whats the down side for them. If I was then Id say please. But a merger without the BoD, not very bright I'd be concerned.

So you're voting yes then?

 

[BFL370]

No Im waiting to see the whole thing till I vote, but Im leaning to no. But if you do vote no are you going to get involved after the vote?

 

[XRMEFLYER]

No Im waiting to see the whole thing till I vote, but Im leaning to no. But if you do vote no are you going to get involved after the vote?

Not sure what you mean by get involved, but these guys have lost my confidence and I don't think we could do a whole lot worse.

 

[gt1900]

Leaning towards no... YGTBSM..... What in the world would make this contract even close to voting yes for?? I would love to get involved.. I have 2 hands, put a picket in each one.... However, I don't want it to come to that.. I want AP to send us a decent contract without the B.S. What good is a 13% pay raise if were gonna lose 5-8% of our monthly credit?? The company has done a very good job of masking what is really behind this contract..

 

[N tha jungle]

Who'll vote yes?

Show me an Airtran pilot who'll vote yes on this turd, and I'll show you...

1) a 12 year+ captain who
2) never sat a day of reserve,
3) likes to taxi sloooooooow,
4) is a top gun pilot who never is nervous about an upcoming checkride, and of course,
5)doesn't mind throwing the rest of the unified pilot group under the "fares lower than we pay our pilots Airtran employee bus"

 

[cl65capt]

Dont believe the hype

I already had a check airman tell that if this doesnt pass the company will be pissed and drag it out another two years. I say BS, without a contract where will they get financing for the merger or for our new airplanes. This POS needs to go down and go down hard.

 

[RadioClash]

I already had a check airman tell that if this doesnt pass the company will be pissed and drag it out another two years. I say BS, without a contract where will they get financing for the merger or for our new airplanes. This POS needs to go down and go down hard.

Thats cool, they can drag it out because the current contract is better than this POS, but we aleady know that.

 

[FIREMAN]

Once agian AP is wrong. The gate agents on time is already based on wheel movment, that is why they want the door closed at -4min. It has been policy not to close door untile all cargo doors closed and tug inplace. With pay based on movement or 5 min you would want to close the door as soon you get the final count, then if the cargo or tug is not ready pay starts sooner.

 

[BFL370]

Simple, to get involved means run for office and/or pick up a picket sign. If people wont do either than you will see a POS TA every day of the week because it shows that the group has lots of noise and no bite. If you vote the TA down you WILL have to pickup the picket sign, thats how it works. Ive done it got the T-shirt. A union is not AP or the BoD its pilots who take a stand and back it up. Im on the picket vol list are you? If not pick up the phone and do so, or vote yes. Your responsibility is more than a vote its also your action to back the vote in either direction you choose and it should never be taken lightly. I am not trying to look at this with emotion but with what are the facts, I dont know all of them yet, but I have a strong idea and that is why a lean (a lot) to no. Pilots make decisions based on the best information at hand and we dont have the full ATIS (TA) for this ILS yet. So lets figure out if its CatI or CatIII before we get to Mins.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Simple, to get involved means run for office and/or pick up a picket sign. If people wont do either than you will see a POS TA every day of the week because it shows that the group has lots of noise and no bite. If you vote the TA down you WILL have to pickup the picket sign, thats how it works. Ive done it got the T-shirt. A union is not AP or the BoD its pilots who take a stand and back it up. Im on the picket vol list are you? If not pick up the phone and do so, or vote yes. Your responsibility is more than a vote its also your action to back the vote in either direction you choose and it should never be taken lightly. I am not trying to look at this with emotion but with what are the facts, I dont know all of them yet, but I have a strong idea and that is why a lean (a lot) to no. Pilots make decisions based on the best information at hand and we dont have the full ATIS (TA) for this ILS yet. So lets figure out if its CatI or CatIII before we get to Mins.

Catchy pilot metaphor FL.

With all due respect to you and your T-shirt, most of us don't need a bunch of mumbo jumbo legalese that is the full language of the contract to tell us that this thing is a non starter. Way too much given away for very little in return.

Yes, I will be there when its time to walk in circles.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Yes, I will be there when its time to walk in circles.

Me too. I've got that T-shirt too and it was not fun, however, I will do it again if it is required.

 

[CitationLover]

....where will they get financing for the merger....

MEH is financing its own merger, AAI only needs $70 million in cash which they already have. financing? hah!

 

[Lars!]

Why would the president of the union be in the CP's office during the conference call? Is that normal? Who was in there with him?

If that is true it's completely unacceptable. This isn't a discussion management needs to be involved in. The discussion is between the pilots and their union. Unless you guys have a time machine and you got a Chief Pilot from 1965 who actually represents the PILOTS then he has no business being involved in this.

I'm not a member of your pilot group, so forgive me if I'm getting involved in that which doesn't concern me, but that is a HUGE red flag.

 

[AFcitrus]

Union chiefs hedge backing on AirTran pilot deal

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/24/07
Leaders of AirTran Airways' pilots union gave a "qualified endorsement" to a tentative contract that would boost pay by more than 5 percent — and put it "squarely ahead of" rates for pilots flying similar-sized planes at archrival Delta Air Lines, the union says.
The tentative deal now goes to AirTran's 1,500 pilots for a ratification vote next month.

Also Wednesday, AirTran announced a new order for 15 new Boeing 737s to be delivered in 2011 and 2012. At list prices, the order is worth about $850 million.
It follows a 100-plane order in 2003 that has fueled the discount carrier's rapid growth in recent years. Atlanta's second-largest airline, AirTran now operates 45 Boeing 737s and 87 Boeing 717s.
AirTran had slowed new plane deliveries last fall. But the airline, which held its annual shareholders meeting Wednesday in Williamsburg, Va., said the additional planes are needed to continue long-term growth.
The pilot deal came after two-plus years of talks. National Pilots Association President Allen Philpot said it should also boost AirTran's bid to acquire Milwaukee-based Midwest Airlines, which Midwest management is resisting.
AirTran pilot pay would be "way above Midwest folks" under the new deal, said Philpot, as well as ahead of Delta pilots flying similar equipment.
An AirTran captain with 12 years' seniority flying an average of 83 hours a month will make almost $160,000 a year vs. $152,000 under the current contract, the union said. A co-pilot with seven years at the company will see a pay boost from about $78,000 to $83,000.
Delta pilots endured two rounds of steep pay cuts and other concessions during the airline's recent trip through bankruptcy court.
Delta captains flying smaller jets like those at AirTran now make about $129,000 a year, while co-pilots are paid about $87,000, said Kit Darby with Air Inc., an aviation career service in Atlanta. Philpot said AirTran pilots will also get signing bonuses of roughly $3,000 to $7,000 each and see other improvements, including more generous sick pay and retirement benefits.
Still, he said the union's six-member board gave only a provisional approval after more than a day of deliberations because the union wants the company to give clearer definitions of scheduling rules and other terms that have caused headaches under the current contract.
He said he hopes to get the company's answers this week and to schedule a vote within two weeks.


This guy is a F**king idiot. "more generous sick pay" - let's see lose a 60 hour emergency bank that recoups at 6 hours per month and gain 2 hrs per month sick pay.

5% pay raise after an 8% loss of pay over the last 3 years. Sounds like a 3% pay cut to me. Mine is closer to 15% pay cut because I'm on reserve.