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I keep saying they need to realease the amount of money we lost or gained from each item in this new contract........Not only in a aggreate pilot pay consideration but also percentages......ie you lost 8 million system wide pilot pay roll for losing door closed which is 2 percent of your gross pay.
Or did they even do the research to find out?
I want to know if these new trip rigs are actually better than the 4 hour min day.....I don't think they are because they are most likely look back rigs which means they average each day so day one you'll get slammed and the next two twittle your thumbs.
Or did they even do the research to find out?
I want to know if these new trip rigs are actually better than the 4 hour min day.....I don't think they are because they are most likely look back rigs which means they average each day so day one you'll get slammed and the next two twittle your thumbs.
not one question about 86 seat scope. i never could get a word in. AP barely even mentioned it. NO concessions on seat scope if you ever want to upgrade. at least we can wave to the new airtran connection pilots flying shiny new e-190's while carrying their new backpacks. it will happen if this is voted in. i just wish they would go ahead and open the polls so i can cast my NO vote now and get on with the negotiations.
Ask any delta guy if the first turbojet airplane should have been let off property. I love seeing the e-170's parked on b-concourse. it is great for morale.
Ask any delta guy if the first turbojet airplane should have been let off property. I love seeing the e-170's parked on b-concourse. it is great for morale.
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Fellow Air Tran pilots,
Commuting home today, I was going over the TA and trying to understand why I was so angry with what I read in the power point presentation. Ultimately I came up with the fact that I feel betrayed.
I was supposed to trust that the NC and BOD would act in the best interest of the pilot group?
Marginal pay raises, reduced quality of life, a reserve program that will abuse pilots, scope that is scary, SAP II that is still a shambles, "core" pay, a signing bonus that is insulting..... all this with the hope that we can negotiate a better one in three and a half years. All this with the excuse that they have been working on this for the past three years. Sorry to say but the only real work on this TA has been done in the past three months.
I have listened to the rhetoric that was coming from the union and I was expecting much more from the "leaders" of our pilot group. I did not expect to have the BOD rubber stamp it with a yes vote and then have to have a list of questions and answers to truly understand what we will be held accountable for.
I understand that I will have issues with scheduling. I understand that crew planning may be impossible to get in touch with. I understand that calls to payroll may go unanswered for weeks. I understand that there may be scheduling changes at the last minute and I will not have a hotel room.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE TO WATCH MY BACK WITH THE BOD AND NC! To recommend that the pilot group say yes to this TA is reprehensible and is a failure of leadership. Put them back to work and they can stop when I start sweating. I want to see real work and real results. NO way NO how... hey catchy new slogan?????
Commuting home today, I was going over the TA and trying to understand why I was so angry with what I read in the power point presentation. Ultimately I came up with the fact that I feel betrayed.
I was supposed to trust that the NC and BOD would act in the best interest of the pilot group?
Marginal pay raises, reduced quality of life, a reserve program that will abuse pilots, scope that is scary, SAP II that is still a shambles, "core" pay, a signing bonus that is insulting..... all this with the hope that we can negotiate a better one in three and a half years. All this with the excuse that they have been working on this for the past three years. Sorry to say but the only real work on this TA has been done in the past three months.
I have listened to the rhetoric that was coming from the union and I was expecting much more from the "leaders" of our pilot group. I did not expect to have the BOD rubber stamp it with a yes vote and then have to have a list of questions and answers to truly understand what we will be held accountable for.
I understand that I will have issues with scheduling. I understand that crew planning may be impossible to get in touch with. I understand that calls to payroll may go unanswered for weeks. I understand that there may be scheduling changes at the last minute and I will not have a hotel room.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE TO WATCH MY BACK WITH THE BOD AND NC! To recommend that the pilot group say yes to this TA is reprehensible and is a failure of leadership. Put them back to work and they can stop when I start sweating. I want to see real work and real results. NO way NO how... hey catchy new slogan?????
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Not impressed by AP at all. I sure hope this gets voted down. The call gave no more info than the website and what the hell, he mentioned he did not have the TA in front of him. Why as union president during a conference call about the TA would you not have a copy of said TA in front of you for reference?
NO vote from me
NO vote from me
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Highlights: compromise on Scope for 79-86 seats up to 10% of the ASM (Available Seat Miles).
?? What did we get back for giving them Scope relief ??
Merger protections are significantly improved with an 18 month timetable to integrate.
?? Does not bind the holding company ??
“Hopefully we can get past the poison pill.” This is why he wants to get this contract behind us.
“What you need to know is when you look at the pay scales, we combined the 700 and 800 rates because, at 12 year CA, we are already at the TOP of the industry average for the 737-800 (except for SWA).”
“We could probably wait another year or two as other airlines come out of bankruptcy and we could probably get a little more. But I believe it’s better to close this out now and come back in 3 ½ years. The way the cycles work with the airlines, that will be a better time to negotiate a new contract.”
“We have a contract that I believe will improve the quality of life.”
?? HOW ?? It’s a decrease in just about every measurable part of section 5.
“Consistently the polls were saying you wanted 12% for retirement, and we got it.”
“Scheduling will be of concern to many of you. Airport appreciation will be decreased by a 2:1 duty rig. To get that, we had to do some compromising and part of that was to change the 4 hour hard day to a 4.5 hour average day and the 13 hour duty day. I won’t take the time here to go over that but I will do it at the road shows. We believe it will loosen up the pairing generator to improve the pairings overall.”
“We got big gains in sick time, but gave up the emergency sick bank to do it.”
?? After the contract is ratified, what happens to emerg sick ??
“Reserves are changed dramatically. The way that reserves were being used was somewhat restrictive and the lineholder quality of life suffered, a lot of us got downline drafted and couldn’t get home. The answer to that was to make reserves work more like they’re supposed to. We got a long-call reserve, a 75 hour guarantee, and we’re going to experiment with a movable day off line. You can protect 2 blocks of your days off and you’ll get 12 days off instead of the typical 10 days off. We can pull that off the table if it looks like that’s not working.”
“there is a signing bonus that’s been out on the web since the BOD vote.”
“Hotels gets its own section of the contract and is a big improvement.”
Pilot: “On that movable days off, does it go back to the complete old agreement, or just the days off section?”
AP “It just goes back to the days off, not the complete old system.”
Pilot: “Can you explain to me changing the door closed?”
AP “I knew that was going to come up. On the back end, you still get paid as you do now. On the front end, the clock now starts at door closed. Dwell time is the time from door close to when you start moving. The problem is, if you put the emphasis on door closed, you still don’t get an on-time. We put the clock starts when the wheels move, or 5 minutes to get their act together and then the clocks starts. Now, the way to handle that is to make sure you leave that door open until you are completely ready to go. There’s some numbers out there as to how much that eats into your pay, and I think those numbers might be exaggerated.
Pilot: “I actually ran those numbers and in some months I’m actually taking a 5% cut.”
“I don’t know if you calculated the numbers right. Also, the goal is now to get the airplane moving. I don’t mind giving them few minutes, but if Standby Sally is holding you, you still will get paid after 5 minutes. It IS concessionary? Yeah. But it’s industry-standard.”
Surrapine: “When this was brought up, the average time is 3 minutes according to the data we have. In discussing this issue, Kolski is coming out with a memo to the gate agents that reinstates Captain’s authority to keep the door open until the aircraft is ready to move.”
Pilot: “the problem is there is still stuff to be done, f/a’s, checklists, you’re never going to get any quicker than 3 minutes.”
AP: “I can’t argue with that.”
Pilot: “There’s a lot of rumors out there about if you call in sick, you have to have a doctor’s note?”
AP: ”How that works is that we believe you as a pilot can self-medicate and if your ears are clogged for example, you can’t fly. That doesn’t mean you have to go to the doctor. The company is going to define that further in the questions and answers that are forthcoming. I’m going to reserve comment until they’re done down there and the Q&A’s come out. The recommendation of the board is contingent on the Q&A. We’re going to clear that up, because I don’t believe you should have to get a doctor’s note if you call in sick.”
Pilot: “How does the scheduled flying work now?”
AP: ”The core block is what they call that. (same discussion of how it’s generated). Reduces 2-4 minutes on average and is capped at 8 minutes. We have the right to see those reports and audit them. We still get the better of scheduled block or better.”
?? What did we get back for giving them Scope relief ??
Merger protections are significantly improved with an 18 month timetable to integrate.
?? Does not bind the holding company ??
“Hopefully we can get past the poison pill.” This is why he wants to get this contract behind us.
“What you need to know is when you look at the pay scales, we combined the 700 and 800 rates because, at 12 year CA, we are already at the TOP of the industry average for the 737-800 (except for SWA).”
“We could probably wait another year or two as other airlines come out of bankruptcy and we could probably get a little more. But I believe it’s better to close this out now and come back in 3 ½ years. The way the cycles work with the airlines, that will be a better time to negotiate a new contract.”
“We have a contract that I believe will improve the quality of life.”
?? HOW ?? It’s a decrease in just about every measurable part of section 5.
“Consistently the polls were saying you wanted 12% for retirement, and we got it.”
“Scheduling will be of concern to many of you. Airport appreciation will be decreased by a 2:1 duty rig. To get that, we had to do some compromising and part of that was to change the 4 hour hard day to a 4.5 hour average day and the 13 hour duty day. I won’t take the time here to go over that but I will do it at the road shows. We believe it will loosen up the pairing generator to improve the pairings overall.”
“We got big gains in sick time, but gave up the emergency sick bank to do it.”
?? After the contract is ratified, what happens to emerg sick ??
“Reserves are changed dramatically. The way that reserves were being used was somewhat restrictive and the lineholder quality of life suffered, a lot of us got downline drafted and couldn’t get home. The answer to that was to make reserves work more like they’re supposed to. We got a long-call reserve, a 75 hour guarantee, and we’re going to experiment with a movable day off line. You can protect 2 blocks of your days off and you’ll get 12 days off instead of the typical 10 days off. We can pull that off the table if it looks like that’s not working.”
“there is a signing bonus that’s been out on the web since the BOD vote.”
“Hotels gets its own section of the contract and is a big improvement.”
Pilot: “On that movable days off, does it go back to the complete old agreement, or just the days off section?”
AP “It just goes back to the days off, not the complete old system.”
Pilot: “Can you explain to me changing the door closed?”
AP “I knew that was going to come up. On the back end, you still get paid as you do now. On the front end, the clock now starts at door closed. Dwell time is the time from door close to when you start moving. The problem is, if you put the emphasis on door closed, you still don’t get an on-time. We put the clock starts when the wheels move, or 5 minutes to get their act together and then the clocks starts. Now, the way to handle that is to make sure you leave that door open until you are completely ready to go. There’s some numbers out there as to how much that eats into your pay, and I think those numbers might be exaggerated.
Pilot: “I actually ran those numbers and in some months I’m actually taking a 5% cut.”
“I don’t know if you calculated the numbers right. Also, the goal is now to get the airplane moving. I don’t mind giving them few minutes, but if Standby Sally is holding you, you still will get paid after 5 minutes. It IS concessionary? Yeah. But it’s industry-standard.”
Surrapine: “When this was brought up, the average time is 3 minutes according to the data we have. In discussing this issue, Kolski is coming out with a memo to the gate agents that reinstates Captain’s authority to keep the door open until the aircraft is ready to move.”
Pilot: “the problem is there is still stuff to be done, f/a’s, checklists, you’re never going to get any quicker than 3 minutes.”
AP: “I can’t argue with that.”
Pilot: “There’s a lot of rumors out there about if you call in sick, you have to have a doctor’s note?”
AP: ”How that works is that we believe you as a pilot can self-medicate and if your ears are clogged for example, you can’t fly. That doesn’t mean you have to go to the doctor. The company is going to define that further in the questions and answers that are forthcoming. I’m going to reserve comment until they’re done down there and the Q&A’s come out. The recommendation of the board is contingent on the Q&A. We’re going to clear that up, because I don’t believe you should have to get a doctor’s note if you call in sick.”
Pilot: “How does the scheduled flying work now?”
AP: ”The core block is what they call that. (same discussion of how it’s generated). Reduces 2-4 minutes on average and is capped at 8 minutes. We have the right to see those reports and audit them. We still get the better of scheduled block or better.”
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Someone asked about the note for sick calls. There was no definitive answer. Wouldn't you think that is a yes or a no answer. This is my problem with this TA. There are going to be too many grey areas again. When the gentleman asked, do you need a Doctors note when you call in sick, our president should have said yes or no! He couldn't answer it.
Scope? Folks AirTran has the opportunity to lead the industry and not give up any scope over 70 seats. If the company wants to fly EMB-170 or EMB-190 aircraft then lets buy them and fly them on the AirTran senority list. Section 4-D-5, states that the company and the union would get together and negotiate pay rates for any aircraft brought on the property. It is time to end the rein of these contract carriers! JetBlue got it right by flying the EMB-190 with Jetblue pilots. US Airways almost got it right with the EMB-170, but they caved! Fellow pilots, the only way we are going to protect our profession is to stop giving away our flying! Hey REGIONAL pilot, trust me, you want this to go that way or you will forever be stuck at the MESAs of this industry.
My impression is that we want to rush this TA for the sake of the merger. Folks we need to have a contract with clear language and we need to lead the industry with scope and start putting some of these contract carriers out of business!
Scope? Folks AirTran has the opportunity to lead the industry and not give up any scope over 70 seats. If the company wants to fly EMB-170 or EMB-190 aircraft then lets buy them and fly them on the AirTran senority list. Section 4-D-5, states that the company and the union would get together and negotiate pay rates for any aircraft brought on the property. It is time to end the rein of these contract carriers! JetBlue got it right by flying the EMB-190 with Jetblue pilots. US Airways almost got it right with the EMB-170, but they caved! Fellow pilots, the only way we are going to protect our profession is to stop giving away our flying! Hey REGIONAL pilot, trust me, you want this to go that way or you will forever be stuck at the MESAs of this industry.
My impression is that we want to rush this TA for the sake of the merger. Folks we need to have a contract with clear language and we need to lead the industry with scope and start putting some of these contract carriers out of business!
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Pilot: “Alan, I fail to see how your logic of “core time” is going to make them move any faster. Right now, they’re motivated to get us out quickly because the clock is running. We change that, and they’re not longer motivated. Am I missing something?”
AP: “Well, you’re not wrong. There is that 5 minute restriction. Now the gate agent gets in trouble if the aircraft isn’t moved
Pilot: “Right now, the metric AirTran is using with the gate agents is door closed. They can change that to get the aircraft moving faster without affecting our pay. I believe now that the clock isn’t running with door closed, they’re not any more motivated than before.”
AP; “Well, let’s just say that if I’m completely wrong and it’s not going to get better, the point was that the company gave us a couple million in negotiating capital to use elsewhere. I’m not going to battle and say that you’re not right. But this is the industry average.”
Pilot: “This isn’t done anywhere else in the industry.”
AP: “well it’s done at Southwest.”
Pilot: “Then they can give us Southwest pay.”
AP: no response
Pilot: “There seems to be a rush to get this contract done before the merger. But there’s no time like the present to get the language clear. Is there a commuter policy?”
AP: “Yes, it’s in the form of a “late report” where they put a reserve on your trip. If you are doing a turn to start, they may try to get you back on that trip or they can offer you reserve which you don’t have to take but you’ll get some pay back. If that’s what you mean, then yes.”
Pilot: “In terms of seeing who’s on reserve, can we see who is on in front of us and do they have to use that?”
AP: “I don’t know.”
Pilot: “When are we going to be able to get SAP 2 back with FLICA?
AP: ”We won’t go to FLICA now. (history lesson we already knew for 5 minutes). I wish we could go to something like that. The company’s not going to turn it on until they get a floor. – didn’t answer the question.
Pilot: “Based on your press release and comments you’ve made, what is the rush with the BOD decision and T.A. Why are we approving a T.A. when we’re already acknowledging that it needs to be fixed but we’re going to do 3 ½ years? Why the rush?”
AP: “We will never have the perfect contract, that’s what I mean by coming back in 3 ½ years. We’re not rushing, we’re taking a week to get the Q&A’s done which can only come when you have a T.A. We’re going to take our time to get the Q&A’s right. There’s a point of diminishing return. If you mean wait 2 years until the rest of the contracts come out, we’re going to do that and a year later we’ll start negotiating again. The NMB is there and there’s a good chance if we vote this down, and I don’t want to scare anyone into voting yes, but the mediator could put us on ice.
Pilot: “I’d rather continue living on the current book than sign a concessionary agreement and everything you’ve said and shown on the powerpoint shows it’s a concessionary agreement.”
AP: “you’ll see that with the raise in pay, 401(k), and signing bonuses and you will see that this is NOT concessionary and this is NOT CASM-neutral contract. Nobody can run those kind of numbers and show me that this is a concessionary contract.”
AP: “I also want to remind you this gets us the jumpseat back without the $25 fee. That ought to make people happy.”
Pilot: “Anything in the T.A. about virtual basing?”
AP: Yeah, and it’s a short sentence because it doesn’t appear the company wants virtual bases, mainly because of the Midwest merger. It says that we will be glad to talk to them about virtual bases should they ever want them.
Pilot: “Is this contract with AirTran holdings or AirTran Airways?”
AP: The agreement is with the main company airtran airways. There’s going to be a letter for holdings that actually acknowledges the Scope clause in particular and they agree to honor that scope clause. There’s some other changes in Section 1 that expand the definition of the company into a subsidiary.”
Pilot: “It seems like we destroyed the retirees on health insurance. I’d be a little upset.”
AP: “There is a provision in there, and I don’t have my notes, so I’ll hold that until the road shows.”
Pilot: “Why should I vote for a contract as a 3rd year F/O that is well-below industry average on F/O pay?”
AP: “You’re going to be a CA next year, and you’ll be at the industry average, so that’s why I’d vote yes.”
Pilot: “But I don’t have any guarantee for that. Why should I vote yes?”
AP: ”As far as comparing F/O rates, yes, that is true. But a 4-year pilot here will make more because they will upgrade.”
Pilot: “But we don’t have a guarantee upgrades will continue, and we’re below everyone else?”
AP: “Yes, that’s correct, I can’t argue with that.”
Pilot: “Can you dispel the rumor that if you are a lineholder, at the end of a trip, you can be put on ready reserve?”
AP: “No, that’s not true. If you are a reserve pilot, then you can be put on ready reserve, but not as a lineholder. That’s one of the benefits of the new contract. If you’re brought in on ready reserve, your 6 hour commitment starts at the beginning of your reserve period.”
Pilot: “Is that over and above your 75?”
AP: “No, you have to beat 75 hours total credit.”
Pilot: “We have dedicated CDO lines. Are we going to have dedicated redeye lines now?
AP: ”I believe so, and I don’t know what the percentages are, but they’ve got them split up now.”
Our hour’s up, and I’m going to have more of these along with the roadshows after you get the T.A. document. We’re not going to open up the balloting process until then, it’ll open shortly afterwards and remain open. You can change your vote up to the deadline.
There should be someone in the crew lounge, maybe in the room next to the Chief Pilot’s office and the training center most days during normal business hours to answer questions.
AP: “Well, you’re not wrong. There is that 5 minute restriction. Now the gate agent gets in trouble if the aircraft isn’t moved
Pilot: “Right now, the metric AirTran is using with the gate agents is door closed. They can change that to get the aircraft moving faster without affecting our pay. I believe now that the clock isn’t running with door closed, they’re not any more motivated than before.”
AP; “Well, let’s just say that if I’m completely wrong and it’s not going to get better, the point was that the company gave us a couple million in negotiating capital to use elsewhere. I’m not going to battle and say that you’re not right. But this is the industry average.”
Pilot: “This isn’t done anywhere else in the industry.”
AP: “well it’s done at Southwest.”
Pilot: “Then they can give us Southwest pay.”
AP: no response
Pilot: “There seems to be a rush to get this contract done before the merger. But there’s no time like the present to get the language clear. Is there a commuter policy?”
AP: “Yes, it’s in the form of a “late report” where they put a reserve on your trip. If you are doing a turn to start, they may try to get you back on that trip or they can offer you reserve which you don’t have to take but you’ll get some pay back. If that’s what you mean, then yes.”
Pilot: “In terms of seeing who’s on reserve, can we see who is on in front of us and do they have to use that?”
AP: “I don’t know.”
Pilot: “When are we going to be able to get SAP 2 back with FLICA?
AP: ”We won’t go to FLICA now. (history lesson we already knew for 5 minutes). I wish we could go to something like that. The company’s not going to turn it on until they get a floor. – didn’t answer the question.
Pilot: “Based on your press release and comments you’ve made, what is the rush with the BOD decision and T.A. Why are we approving a T.A. when we’re already acknowledging that it needs to be fixed but we’re going to do 3 ½ years? Why the rush?”
AP: “We will never have the perfect contract, that’s what I mean by coming back in 3 ½ years. We’re not rushing, we’re taking a week to get the Q&A’s done which can only come when you have a T.A. We’re going to take our time to get the Q&A’s right. There’s a point of diminishing return. If you mean wait 2 years until the rest of the contracts come out, we’re going to do that and a year later we’ll start negotiating again. The NMB is there and there’s a good chance if we vote this down, and I don’t want to scare anyone into voting yes, but the mediator could put us on ice.
Pilot: “I’d rather continue living on the current book than sign a concessionary agreement and everything you’ve said and shown on the powerpoint shows it’s a concessionary agreement.”
AP: “you’ll see that with the raise in pay, 401(k), and signing bonuses and you will see that this is NOT concessionary and this is NOT CASM-neutral contract. Nobody can run those kind of numbers and show me that this is a concessionary contract.”
AP: “I also want to remind you this gets us the jumpseat back without the $25 fee. That ought to make people happy.”
Pilot: “Anything in the T.A. about virtual basing?”
AP: Yeah, and it’s a short sentence because it doesn’t appear the company wants virtual bases, mainly because of the Midwest merger. It says that we will be glad to talk to them about virtual bases should they ever want them.
Pilot: “Is this contract with AirTran holdings or AirTran Airways?”
AP: The agreement is with the main company airtran airways. There’s going to be a letter for holdings that actually acknowledges the Scope clause in particular and they agree to honor that scope clause. There’s some other changes in Section 1 that expand the definition of the company into a subsidiary.”
Pilot: “It seems like we destroyed the retirees on health insurance. I’d be a little upset.”
AP: “There is a provision in there, and I don’t have my notes, so I’ll hold that until the road shows.”
Pilot: “Why should I vote for a contract as a 3rd year F/O that is well-below industry average on F/O pay?”
AP: “You’re going to be a CA next year, and you’ll be at the industry average, so that’s why I’d vote yes.”
Pilot: “But I don’t have any guarantee for that. Why should I vote yes?”
AP: ”As far as comparing F/O rates, yes, that is true. But a 4-year pilot here will make more because they will upgrade.”
Pilot: “But we don’t have a guarantee upgrades will continue, and we’re below everyone else?”
AP: “Yes, that’s correct, I can’t argue with that.”
Pilot: “Can you dispel the rumor that if you are a lineholder, at the end of a trip, you can be put on ready reserve?”
AP: “No, that’s not true. If you are a reserve pilot, then you can be put on ready reserve, but not as a lineholder. That’s one of the benefits of the new contract. If you’re brought in on ready reserve, your 6 hour commitment starts at the beginning of your reserve period.”
Pilot: “Is that over and above your 75?”
AP: “No, you have to beat 75 hours total credit.”
Pilot: “We have dedicated CDO lines. Are we going to have dedicated redeye lines now?
AP: ”I believe so, and I don’t know what the percentages are, but they’ve got them split up now.”
Our hour’s up, and I’m going to have more of these along with the roadshows after you get the T.A. document. We’re not going to open up the balloting process until then, it’ll open shortly afterwards and remain open. You can change your vote up to the deadline.
There should be someone in the crew lounge, maybe in the room next to the Chief Pilot’s office and the training center most days during normal business hours to answer questions.
Lear70
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Disclaimer: the above posts are a summary and as close to the actual wording as I could get, I just don't type fast enough to keep up.
Anytime you see a ?? it's my own questions that I was going to ask, but since I joined the conference about 10 seconds late, I couldn't 4* to unmute my phone. It kept saying "invalid option".
P.O.'d, couldn't ask about scope. We need to get a group together to attend the different road shows with our own bulletpoints.
Anytime you see a ?? it's my own questions that I was going to ask, but since I joined the conference about 10 seconds late, I couldn't 4* to unmute my phone. It kept saying "invalid option".
P.O.'d, couldn't ask about scope. We need to get a group together to attend the different road shows with our own bulletpoints.
RIDETHELIGHTING
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OK, just got in and looking for contract details.
Someone explain to me how this is not a concession?
1. Using the 4 hr. min credit versus the 4.5 average for the four day trip I am currently on. I should be paid 21:40 based on 4 hour min. Using the 4.5 ave. I would only be paid 18. If this happens four times during the month, the $10/ hr raise that I get goes right down the Sh!!tter if the trips are built the same.
2.What are the pay rates for the 100 seat aircraft? If they are alot less than the current rates for the aircraft we have now, I guess we could expect to see alot of those E-190's replacing the aircraft we have now..hhmmmm
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Someone explain to me how this is not a concession?
1. Using the 4 hr. min credit versus the 4.5 average for the four day trip I am currently on. I should be paid 21:40 based on 4 hour min. Using the 4.5 ave. I would only be paid 18. If this happens four times during the month, the $10/ hr raise that I get goes right down the Sh!!tter if the trips are built the same.
2.What are the pay rates for the 100 seat aircraft? If they are alot less than the current rates for the aircraft we have now, I guess we could expect to see alot of those E-190's replacing the aircraft we have now..hhmmmm
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Folks over 100 people tuned in to the conference call. We all need to attend the road shows and ask the tough questions. This in no time to be passive and believe it will work its way out. We are the future and we control our own destiny! PLEASE don't rely on rumors! When the contract is made available, read it and attend the road shows. Merger or no merger this is our contract that we will have to work under for 4 to 6 years and we better make sure we understand all the language. It is very important! AP made it seem like we had to rush because of the merger! I don't buy it and that is no reason to rush a contract that will affect all of us and our families! Best of luck to us all!
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Scope and Work rules are everything! If you call in sick, there should be no grey area as to if you have to provide a note or not. It is pretty black and white either you do or you don't! If we have a commuter policy, it should be spelled out in the contract, not it a Question and Answer portion of the contract. That is not binding! Clear cut language is a must in the contract, not in the questions and answers. If you need the question and answer section to validate the language, then the contract is too vague and needs improvement! Please remember that and lets be firm and united!
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thats what they want you to do...they get there on time and they screw you out of 5 minutes....
dont believe the hype.....
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First question:
Why would the president of the union be in the CP's office during the conference call? Is that normal? Who was in there with him?
Second, Why can the union not explain the contract to us? Why does the company have to explain the contract? Meaning the Q&A? What is that about?
Why would the president of the union be in the CP's office during the conference call? Is that normal? Who was in there with him?
Second, Why can the union not explain the contract to us? Why does the company have to explain the contract? Meaning the Q&A? What is that about?
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Me too!!
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