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[singlespeed]

Thanks again. BTW the loads looked up.

 

[viking737]

Spoke to a Chief Pilot yesterday, he said no recalls until Apr 2006.

 

[80drvr]

Spoke to a Chief Pilot yesterday, he said no recalls until Apr 2006.

Which Chief?

 

[IHaveAPension]

A major is defined by having 1 $B in revenue, I would bet by 2007 ASA and ComAir will be majors. Hiring by majors and potential majors in 2003 was not 0, SWA, JB, AirTran, now all majors, were hiring, a good guess is at least 500-1000 were hired by a major in 2003. So hiring of 4000-6000 by the majors in 2007 is not an unrealistic assumption. Right now CAL, UPS, FedEx, AWA, AirTran, and JB are all hiring, probably in the 2500 to 3000 ranges this year. This is my fourth time through the cycle. In 1973 the airlines crashed just about the time was going to leave the Navy, everyone said the glory days are over. In 1983 my reserve unit was full of airline wannabes, who felt it would never come back and they had missed the boat. Some of them made Captain at AA in five years. In 1993 the famous "Will fly for food" posters" were seen at LAX, and everyone lamented It was great while it lasted". Now we are in the 2003 "It will never be the same again", my guess the cycle will repeat, but in each cycle avaition hiring redefines itself but the numbers go up.

YIP once again you prove what a freaking moron you are. ASA and Comair may be majors by DOT definition, but by the defenition that really counts, pay, bennies, retirement and QOL, they are still commuter/regional airlines.

 

[Dangerkitty]

YIP once again you prove what a freaking moron you are. ASA and Comair may be majors by DOT definition, but by the defenition that really counts, pay, bennies, retirement and QOL, they are still commuter/regional airlines.

I dont know how many times I have made that same argument to my friends still at the regionals. So your company brought in the required revenue that the DOT considers them a Major. Big deal.

That DOT listing of your company as a "Major" and $4.50 will get you a Venti Latte at Starbucks.

If it makes you feel better to be considered a Major then fine. But it aint going to mean squat until you bring your Pay, Retirment, QOL, etc in line with the real Majors.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

These guys just want to brag to people outside the industry that they work for a "major" airline. They probably think it will help them score with the women.

 

[jimpilot]

I dont know how many times I have made that same argument to my friends still at the regionals. So your company brought in the required revenue that the DOT considers them a Major. Big deal.

That DOT listing of your company as a "Major" and $4.50 will get you a Venti Latte at Starbucks.

If it makes you feel better to be considered a Major then fine. But it aint going to mean squat until you bring your Pay, Retirment, QOL, etc in line with the real Majors.

You mean the majors that all have long furlough lists. Grow up, this mine is bigger than yours thinking should have stopped when you turned 21. (Or have you yet?)

 

[B6Driver]

SW is a major. JB is also a major but some will never agree. I worked at two majors in my time and my QOL at JB is far above the other two. Pay and bennies are also similar. When JB is 20 years old with 400+ acft, things should look very different in this business. Time will tell for sure.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Agreed...I may work for a Major based on what the DOT says, but nothing about my paycheck or QOL backs that up.

 

[Dangerkitty]

You mean the majors that all have long furlough lists. Grow up, this mine is bigger than yours thinking should have stopped when you turned 21. (Or have you yet?)

Uhhhhhhh, what? I have no clue what you are talking about. But since your own profile states that you never flew for a regional much less a major I guess you have no clue as to what I am talking about.

For your information I flew for a regional (soon to be considered a Major by the DOT) for over three years.

As has been reiterated by other pilots after my post I am only stating the obvious. You on the other hand make no sense whatsoever.

Care to expound on what the heck you are talking about?

BTW, long furlough lists have nothing to do with if you are a major versus a regional. I would much rather be furloughed from a Major carrier where I was making $100 an hour as a FO versus flying for a Regional only making $70 an hour as a Captain.

But since you have so much experience flying for the airlines I would love to hear your take on it.

 

[jimpilot]

Uhhhhhhh, what? I have no clue what you are talking about. Care to expound on what the heck you are talking about?

That's pretty obvious

What I was talking about was the maturity you were showing in your post. It seems to me that you're spending a lot of energy telling folks why you're a major pilot (excuse me laid off major pilot, now Lear pilot) and therfore somehow better than the regional guys.

You're right, I am not a airline pilot. I enjoy what I do and wouldn't trade it for the world. (you have flown international I'm sure, so you know the challenges and satisfaction that come from a well executed around the world trip).

But I have always believed that there is room for every type of pilot in this industry. I think the guy who puts us all to shame is the guy who is paying on weekends to go fly, just for the love of it. You never hear him stand around (or writting on boards) putting another part of the industry down. He isn't there to talk about how much he makes an hour or how great his package is.

Kind of makes me wonder what's lacking that you feel the need to talk down to regional pilots.

 

[Dangerkitty]

That's pretty obvious

What I was talking about was the maturity you were showing in your post. It seems to me that you're spending a lot of energy telling folks why you're a major pilot (excuse me laid off major pilot, now Lear pilot) and therfore somehow better than the regional guys.

You're right, I am not a airline pilot. I enjoy what I do and wouldn't trade it for the world. (you have flown international I'm sure, so you know the challenges and satisfaction that come from a well executed around the world trip).

But I have always believed that there is room for every type of pilot in this industry. I think the guy who puts us all to shame is the guy who is paying on weekends to go fly, just for the love of it. You never hear him stand around (or writting on boards) putting another part of the industry down. He isn't there to talk about how much he makes an hour or how great his package is.

Kind of makes me wonder what's lacking that you feel the need to talk down to regional pilots.

Jimpilot,

For the record I was a Regional Airline pilot for over three years. And without a doubt they were the best three years of my life. No one, and I mean no one understands of cares more that goes on with the Regional Pilots than I do. It is because of my Regional Airline that I am at this point in my career today. I basically owe everything I have and training received to my former Regional Airline.

I think you are reading my post the wrong way. I am not degrading regional pilots nor am I stating they are second class citizens. I am merely stating the obvious.

Just becuase you make over a billion in revenue and are considered a "Major" by the DOT doesn't mean squat until your quality of life, pay, benefits, and retirement reflect what other Majors (AA, DAL, UAL, SWA, FedEX, etc) are receiving.

If it makes someone feel better or have more self esteem by telling people that they fly for a "Major" Airline then great. But that is all it is going to do for you. It's not going to give you a raise and it's not going to give you a great retirement package.

Thats all I am stating.

Furthermore, what energy am I spending telling people that I am a major airline pilot? I am furloughed from a Major and the way things are going now I am not going back. I like my Corporate job and enjoy the weekends and holdidays off for the first time in eight years. If you think I am bragging or spending energy telling people I fly for a major you are reading way way way too far into my posts. The only reason you know that I am furloughed from American Airlines is that you looked at my profile.

I am only stating the obvious that me as well as many other pilots believe. Sorry you took such offense to that but I dont think you were understanding where I was getting at.

Being listed as a Major airline is just a label that in the real world doesn't mean a thing. It might sound a little harsh but it is the truth.

 

[Herk Bubba]

Yeah - I'll take a guess: Oct 2006 at ~30/mo

For giggles and grins I looked up some old posts of mine - admittedly, I'm bored and waiting for the Pats/Colts game tonight.

Anyway, I started laughing when I came across this little gem... The question was "When are recalls going to start at AA?"... Looks like I got the month (announced recalls in Oct 2006) and was off by the numbers (I supposed a trickle recall would be 30/mo but it started at 10/mo and has subsequently increased).

Word on the street is that 30 recalls are planned for April and upping it to 40/mo thereafter to recall approx 400 pilots or so for 2007. No, I'm not getting this from anything but open sources...

The Flowbacks notified so far have all accepted recall (or have deferred to remain on MLOA at AE to maximize their time available for IAW USERRA when they do come back to AA). The "just plain furloughed" folks are accepting at about 1:3 ratio.

I anticipate that the further down the list we go, more deferrals or outright "no thanks / pound sand" will be given as folks are currently settled in with their position at <insert job here>.

So, since guessing when recalls were going to begin was so much fun... when do people think hiring will begin again? Assumption: All else remaining equal (age 60 remains in place, etc)...

Without looking at forecast retirements - but I believe 2000+ are scheduled between now and 2012...

My guess? 2010 / 2011 at the latest.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Makr this for posterity. AA will hire off the street in the next 24 months.

 

[Swaayze]

3 years, hopefully by year end 2009. Just a WAG.