AA is recalling F/As

[CSY Mon]

610 stews are being recalled this fall for various reasons.

Any hot and fresh rumors about pilot recalls?

 

[deceptibum]

from an eagle pilot perspective: hopefully the pilots will follow in the FAs footsteps on this one!

 

[XTW]

from an eagle pilot perspective: hopefully the pilots will follow in the FAs footsteps on this one!

I'm sure from a "mainline" pilot perspective, they would agree with you. But, then again, this may be lost on you.

 

[Andy]

Unfortunately, the pilots have another round of 123 furloughs coming on 1 Oct (unless it's been cancelled, but I haven't seen anything indicating otherwise).


Here's a link (dated 15 Jul 04): http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_07/15_furlough.jhtml

I hope AMR decides to cancel this round and starts recalling soon.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Still coming

Unfortunately, the pilots have another round of 123 furloughs coming on 1 Oct (unless it's been cancelled, but I haven't seen anything indicating otherwise).


Here's a link (dated 15 Jul 04): http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_07/15_furlough.jhtml

I hope AMR decides to cancel this round and starts recalling soon.

More mainline furloughs, AE receiving 3 RJs per month, more flowbacks to come, and AE is having a hard time finding qualified F/Os.

 

[AA717driver]

Eagle's expanding and getting a raise. Looks like the place to be. TC

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

$20k a year and 10 days off a month!

Eagle's expanding and getting a raise. Looks like the place to be. TC

I am envious of the hotel van driver. He's home every night and all that tax free tip money.......but I would declare it, of course!

 

[NTXPilot]

Unfortunately, the pilots have another round of 123 furloughs coming on 1 Oct (unless it's been cancelled, but I haven't seen anything indicating otherwise).


Here's a link (dated 15 Jul 04): http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/p..._furlough.jhtml

I hope AMR decides to cancel this round and starts recalling soon.

Why the furlough of 123 more pilots when AA is adding 70 somethin flights out of DFW? Is AE getting most of the routes?

Peace
LT

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Is $20K at Eagle take home money or is that still before taxes? What is a realistic paycheck at first year pay? $700, $800, $900?

 

[HAZ-MAT]

My two buddies that are based in San Juan in the ATR, first year FO, bring home every two weeks $500, before taxes. So you could assume around a $1000 a month.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

I have to say that that is pretty pathetic. A highly trained, professional airline pilot making $250 a week (before taxes). That would translate to $6.25 an hour if one worked a normal 40 hour week. Is that even the minimum wage?

 

[Herk Bubba]

But it's the glamour!

WyoHerk,

But you need to remember - the pilots getting hired for $20k/yr don't expect to stay there very long... remember? They're looking to build time and move to the "big steel" and make the "big bucks".

But the point that the aspiring pilots miss (but management sees all too clear) is that the more mainline shrinks while the regionals grow, the less "big steel"/"big pay" jobs are going to be around to "upgrade" to in the future.

You mentioned $6.25/hr (average) if one were working for the same pay in a 9-to-5 job.

You wanna know the heartache about it all? Guys would trample over their grandmothers to work for less.

Definitely not the aspiring pilot's fault, either.... just the sickening way the industry is/has been going.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

That is gross @ 75 hours a month

Is $20K at Eagle take home money or is that still before taxes? What is a realistic paycheck at first year pay? $700, $800, $900?

That is with the new TA, it was around $18k before that. My friend is netting about $1,800 a month flying the CRJ out of ORD. Plus, he has to pay the D-2 non-rev. fees to get there!

However, it is excellent training and is better than flight instructng. When I was hired in 1994, the requirement was 1500 TT and 300 multi. It is much less now.

 

[English]

Current minimums are 1000 TT, 100 multi.

Hey, the pay might be low, but you get to wear a leather jacket!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

That is with the new TA, it was around $18k before that. My friend is netting about $1,800 a month flying the CRJ out of ORD. Plus, he has to pay the D-2 non-rev. fees to get there!

However, it is excellent training and is better than flight instructng. When I was hired in 1994, the requirement was 1500 TT and 300 multi. It is much less now.

What exactly is the D-2 fee?

 

[English]

What exactly is the D-2 fee?

D2 fees are what employees and their spouses pay to use their "travel benefits".

The fees are determined by the mileage of each leg, classification of traveler (D2 or D3) and length of time employed by the company, in some cases.

Clear as mud?

 

[ILStoMinimums]

D2 fees are what employees and their spouses pay to use their "travel benefits".

The fees are determined by the mileage of each leg, classification of traveler (D2 or D3) and length of time employed by the company, in some cases.

Clear as mud?

So a commuting pilot has to pay to get to work?

 

[XTW]

I believe that there is a charge if you have less than 5 years of service. The jumpseat access for AA employees is only available if the cabin actually fills and there is no where else to put you. They just started a new jumpseat policy that allows unlimited jumpseats, but I don't know if that only applies to OAL's or company pilots also.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

D-2 is the non-revenue service charge

What exactly is the D-2 fee?

It is priced according to segment. Here is an outdated example from 1996 prices.

BWI SJU BWI: $26 in coach, $63 for first class. Divide that number in two for the individual segment charge. On second year pay (1995-1996) I grossed $15,400 (that included a profit-sharing check) and paid $1270 in D-2 service charges to get to work, maintained a commuter pad at SJU and a commuter car. I was #3 out of 53 F/Os on the SD3-60 and usually worked around 19 days, not including the commute on top of that.

Shorter segments might be between $3 and $10. If I recall, round trip between Washington, DC area (BWI, DCA) to JFK was under $6.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

The 5-year service fee exemption is a few years old.

I believe that there is a charge if you have less than 5 years of service. The jumpseat access for AA employees is only available if the cabin actually fills and there is no where else to put you. They just started a new jumpseat policy that allows unlimited jumpseats, but I don't know if that only applies to OAL's or company pilots also.

The 5 year deal has only been in effect for a few years. There is still a charge to ride in first. For an Eagle new-hire that commutes, the fees will add up, but still it is a nice option to have.

 

[flyby]

In the know

Is $20K at Eagle take home money or is that still before taxes? What is a realistic paycheck at first year pay? $700, $800, $900?

You will take home (that's NET) about 2000/month the first year at Eagle. The first check of the month is about 650 the second is anywhere from 1200-1600. These numbers may move up a little cuz the first year pay is moving up 9%.

As of Jan 1 2005 the min days off is up to 11/month. Of course that is for a reserve pilot. With all the growth you probably wouldn't be on reserve more than a month or 2. Then you can count on a 13 day off line something like 4 on 3 off.

good luck!

 

[mach zero]

You will take home (that's NET) about 2000/month the first year at Eagle. The first check of the month is about 650 the second is anywhere from 1200-1600. These numbers may move up a little cuz the first year pay is moving up 9%.

As of Jan 1 2005 the min days off is up to 11/month. Of course that is for a reserve pilot. With all the growth you probably wouldn't be on reserve more than a month or 2. Then you can count on a 13 day off line something like 4 on 3 off.

good luck!

You forgot to add early shows and late finishes on lots of trips, the 5 to 6 year upgrade time, heavy handed management style, airplanes that break down alot, employee groups that hate each other, etc.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

You will take home (that's NET) about 2000/month the first year at Eagle. The first check of the month is about 650 the second is anywhere from 1200-1600. These numbers may move up a little cuz the first year pay is moving up 9%.

As of Jan 1 2005 the min days off is up to 11/month. Of course that is for a reserve pilot. With all the growth you probably wouldn't be on reserve more than a month or 2. Then you can count on a 13 day off line something like 4 on 3 off.

good luck!

Thanks for the clarification.

So, the D-2/3 fee is far all AE/AA employees? Or is it just for pilots? Is eagle the only regional out there that requires its pilots to pay to JS to/from work?

 

[flyby]

Travel

Say you get hired and are an EMJ FO based in LGA. Now lets say you live in Dallas. To get to work you would have to travel non-revenue to LGA from Dallas. You would do this under the category of D-2, IF, you chose to travel on American. You list on a DFW-LGA flight and if there is an available seat in the back you would have to occupy it and there would be a charge (usually $10.76) to take that flight. If there were no empty seats you get 1W, (the jumpseat in the cockpit) it is free.

D-3 travel is what your friends and relatives (except parents) travel under. That basically means if there is one seat available on a flight and you have a D-2 and a D-3 trying for it, you guessed it, the D-2 gets it.

After 5 years of service your D-2 travel is free... at least coach.

Now, if you want to take another carrier to work (or Las Vegas or MIA) then you can travel for free on them so long as they have a seat available. One night I couldn't get home as all the AA flights were full. I walked to a different terminal and took ATA for free. Sure is nice to have options.

The only differentiation between AE pilots and non-pilot employees is you as a pilot are FDJ (Flight Deck Jumpseat) eligible. You can sit in the cockpit if that is the only seat left.

If I have thoroughly confused you or if you have any questions PM me, I'll be happy to help.

good luck!

 

[thruthemurk]

These numbers may move up a little cuz the first year pay is moving up 9%.

Do you have the Captain payscales with the new payraise available?

Thanks,
murk

 

[80drvr]

Do you have the Captain payscales with the new payraise available?

Thanks,
murk

Talk about thread drift!