AA Contract Proposal

[amcnd]

What am I missing here? Does american fly any aircraft under 125 seats? And its a very small increase in pay but how is it concessionary?

They did.. The Folkers.

 

[TWA Dude]

Does american fly any aircraft under 125 seats?

They have Airbus narrow-body planes on order. A typical seating scheme for the A319 is F12Y112 which equals 124 seats.

 

[Abernathy]

Didn't UA strike in '85 over a proposed B-Scale?

 

[C-150ETOPS]

What am I missing here? Does american fly any aircraft under 125 seats? And its a very small increase in pay but how is it concessionary?

Google "what's a dollar worth" and plug in in few numbers to learn the concept why a small pay raise might actually be a paycut.

Another hidden nuclear weapon is the metrics, that AA controls, that go as far to eliminate all trip rigs and fly FAR's if their block hour per pilot goal isn't met. They control that number. They aren't even scheduling the available monthly max today. The way I figure is that I can vote for their offer, and give myself FAR's and no rigs, or I can turn it down, and get a BK Judge to give me FAR's and no trip rigs along with wiping out Seniors Management's 5% stock ownership in the ship they drove onto the rocks. I'll never pass up the opportunity to pick the deal that gives me a little more satisfaction.


$139 an hour to fly A319 Captain? Don't overlook the fact that they offered the rampers $20+/hour to clean it along with their month vacation and health care, and the offer to the Flight Attendants of $54/hour for 3 of them to work a few minutes each leg. That's $160+/hour along with their month vacation, retirement and health care. They also proposed paying the second year FO $55/hour, the new B-Scale.

AA pilots aren't the problem but will be the easy scapegoat.

 

[rudder]

If you AA guys were smart you would say 'NO' to incumbent management and start a process to identify the potential new owners of AMR and work with them on a post CH11 plan.

 

[CheapFlyer]

If FA's are making $54/hour and cleaners are at $20/hour, then I would go Ch. 11 if I was CEO.

 

[xjhawk]

I have no horse in this race-but I am all for our industry drawing a line in the sand and doing the right thing. When these execs are taking in huge salaries and bonus's and are the cause of the demise of a company-they need to go. I do not think Bankruptcy will push them out and punish them-look at the other companies that went into Ch11 and see the money they got for leaving..... As someone previous has said, it is better not to go into bankruptcy with a lower pay and bennies since the judges and the attorneys are all too stupid to look at the forest for the trees.

FYI-I am a mesaba pilot who is seeing most of our 4-5 year FO's see upgrades going to Colgan FO's with 1-2 years at the company because some attorney was an idiot when he put a minutes worth of thought into his decision.

 

[alaskaplt]

Well, let's see..... for starters, they are proposing a b-scale rate of $139/hr for the A319 CA... meanwhile, Spirit A319 CA $164/hr...

Yikes. That's insane! And they honestly think that will pass!

 

[TWA Dude]

No, they don't. It's all part of their game. Think about it: all the buzz in the past month about a possible TA with the pilots has originated from AMR. They created it and now they're the buzz kill. Their intent might be an obvious pre-pack Chap 11 or it might be something else. Regardless, it will be good for AMR executives and bad for employees.

 

[ackattacker]

Sounds to me like what we've all assumed all along.

They're going BK, they need to deflect the blame. Hence the very public issuance of a proposed contract with "pay increases" all over the news headlines. Then the greedy pilots will turn it down due to the onerous small print, and they'll go bankrupt all thanks to those no good greedy pilots and their out of touch union! Bonuses all around!